Who is the hardest puncher in boxing history?

[juggernaut666]

..Carnera while huge wasn't a real fighter he was a groomed pro wrestler turned fighter,turned pro wrestler/" .... False!

Carnera became a pro wrestler after having a kidney removed (diabetic) which ended his boxing career. He fought from 1928 to 1944.

When discussing punching power the most important condition to consider is the chin that the power will be connecting to.
If Marciano hits anypone cleanly it will hurt, the same with Louis!
When the better quality contenders go up against known punchers they will
be more cautious about engaging them with exchanges.
A regference to Billy Conn was made however inaccurately, Conn was doing well against Louis by remaining on the move and at long range, once he decided to exchange the bout was OVER!

Carnera at 6' 5.5" and 244lbs was Ko'd by Louis mainly because of Louis's superior technical abilities. His arm angles and rotations along with his power
allows him to hurt anyone he lands cleanly on.
By the way Louis isn't exactly small....6' 2" 190--212lbs along with poccessing
techniques that no other heavy has matched. The closest technical heavy in a simular style would be Evander and some of the techniques used by Holmes.
The current heavies are one dimentional in comparison!!
If anyone thinks Wlad or Lewis is still standing after getting hit by Marciano or Louis your delusional, they were beat up by far less talents.
Alex techniques are the primary reasons for success in boxing along with experience. Size is a genetic gift not a learned skill, size can also be used against a fighter and if he hasn't been taught to adapt his "adavantage" could spell doom. Tyson took advantage of many opponents with height & weight numbers that exceeded his. It's not the "size of the dog in a fight it's about the fight inside the dog"!
Ray.

Carnera was in the circus Ray before boxing anyone can look that up...regardless lets say he was a real boxer with skills...that would be the only guy worth noting for Louis show casing power,i don't peticularly get impressed with Tony Gallentos or aged Braddocks..not sure why techniques once again is brought up,we are talking punching power not winning fights through being technically superior...which Louis was not to holyfield in anything he did.I agree with your last sentence but again there is no actual video evidence of why Louis hits the hardest,the competition is not there to show case that,he won all his fights due to either size or overwhelmingly being much more skilled in that era.His power would not be a factor in todays modern HW's...since you think so highly of your old time chums,heres a quote directly from Bert Sugar on primo Carnera" Primo is a clown ,hes not a real fighter he is the worst champion in history,he was a joke a sideshow"

[Ray Corso]

You don't know what your watching! You need to actually know techniques to recognize them son! If you knew what the hell you were talking about you wouldn't be put down the way you are here.
You won't hear one trainer say that :Louis had poor techniques, he was taught by a genius boxing trainer and his style/form is the blue print on how to throw punches.
Sorry but this just gets ridiculous from you, you've never trained a fighter in your life and your critizing a great trainer and fighter without any practicle experiences at all.
I wonder how you would fare on a "brain surgery" forum?
You would be the favorite for exploritory surgery there just as you'd be
KO'd here! hahahaha!!!!

Your thought that because a man weighs 20 to 40 pounds more than an opponent he can't be hurt? Seriously you've never been in a ring in your life!

[juggernaut666]

You don't know what your watching! You need to actually know techniques to recognize them son! If you knew what the hell you were talking about you wouldn't be put down the way you are here.
You won't hear one trainer say that :Louis had poor techniques, he was taught by a genius boxing trainer and his style/form is the blue print on how to throw punches.
Sorry but this just gets ridiculous from you, you've never trained a fighter in your life and your critizing a great trainer and fighter without any practicle experiences at all.
I wonder how you would fare on a "brain surgery" forum?
You would be the favorite for exploritory surgery there just as you'd be
KO'd here! hahahaha!!!!

Your thought that because a man weighs 20 to 40 pounds more than an opponent he can't be hurt? Seriously you've never been in a ring in your life!

I gave you a direct quote from B.sugar himself on Carnera ,I shot that out into orbit you didn't mention the quote whys that?....talking tecghniques well sorry but Louis's techniques would not work,the slow feet hands down approach is long dead,and I guarantee no one who is smart enough patterns themselves after Louis for a reason,beacuse they would get knocked out cold.why do you think he was dropped so many times/because of good techniques all around.?..yes Louis hit hard for any era but if he hit the guys of today they would just look at hm for the most part,todays fighters are not the 190 pounders like Shmelling,they to are long gone out of the HW picture m,thats why they created a cruiserweight diviosn we have gone over this,and really anyone can look up how and why the cruiser weight division was created....yes Louis is fun to watch but really who fights like that anymore,i sure don't,and anyone who says they train fighters to Louis's defense and footwork well let me know where that gym is ,so I can be sure to avoid it like the plague and warn people to run,run far away...

[Jim Jeffries]

I'm not sure that Marciano hit harder than Dempsey, Patterson, Fitzsimmons or Foster TBH, he just kept throwing and throwing and throwing......

Louis wasn't that much difference in size from other murderous punchers like Foreman, Liston, Shavers and Tyson. While Joe hit like a ton of bricks, what separates him from the rest was his ability to set punches up, his pinpoint accuracy and his combinations. Of those 4, only Tyson is comparable.

So is it possible that Louis was the hardest puncher to ever lace them up? Sure, but he had the far more rare talent of being able to translate that power into knockouts of elite opposition.

[juggernaut666]

I'm not sure that Marciano hit harder than Dempsey, Patterson, Fitzsimmons or Foster TBH, he just kept throwing and throwing and throwing......

Louis wasn't that much difference in size from other murderous punchers like Foreman, Liston, Shavers and Tyson. While Joe hit like a ton of bricks, what separates him from the rest was his ability to set punches up, his pinpoint accuracy and his combinations. Of those 4, only Tyson is comparable.

So is it possible that Louis was the hardest puncher to ever lace them up? Sure, but he had the far more rare talent of being able to translate that power into knockouts of elite opposition.

Since Ray cant answer this who was his elite Comp that Louis k.o'd?I don't see one fight that shows me his power against a good prime fighter of evidence vs foreman or Tyson opponents....how hard would either foreman or Tyson hit with 5 ounce gloves?Louis also was not a one punch k.o artist,,,surly the hardest ever hitting guy has that no?you also have to take into account foreman and Tyson both outsized the natural 190 pound Louis considerably..they were much more muscular and girth wise bigger than Louis.Foreman at 260 pounds would eat him.

[Jim Jeffries]

Since Ray cant answer this who was his elite Comp that Louis k.o'd?I don't see one fight that shows me his power against a good prime fighter of evidence vs foreman or Tyson opponents....how hard would either foreman or Tyson hit with 5 ounce gloves?Louis also was not a one punch k.o artist,,,surly the hardest ever hitting guy has that no?you also have to take into account foreman and Tyson both outsized the natural 190 pound Louis considerably..they were much more muscular and girth wise bigger than Louis.Foreman at 260 pounds would eat him.

You can't possibly think that the old, fat 260 lb version of Foreman hit harder than the 217 lb version that destroyed Frazier the first time? Not sure where you get your 190 lb figure, but Louis was 207 for the Abe Simon and Buddy Baer fights, weight he carried very well. If you can't recognize a single good fighter that Louis knocked out, then you're in the right section to learn. Perhaps from someone with a bit more patience than me.

[Ray Corso]

If you feel that Louis wasn't an elite great fighter why bring his opponents into the posts? I really have no desire to carry on with you, like a few others your about "winning a debate" instead of discussing boxing.
Anyone who considers Louis or Frazier or Liston as bums really has no need to
be on a boxing board because your position is just about stiring the pot.
No one with any sense refers to Louis as an ordinary talent who has poor technique.
No one thinks a 260 Foreman was "better" than the younger version.
It's all about height & weight because their not intangables any fool could see them and you do!
This sport takes years to learn and bouts to experience, if your neither you need to read about methods & techniques then evaluate correct technique from poor and then try to understand desire & will.
You how ever prefer to compare height & weight.............

Ray

[Weltschmerz]

I would rate Fitzsimmons higher, he punched way above his weight.

[rightsideup]

Carnera was in the circus Ray before boxing anyone can look that up...regardless lets say he was a real boxer with skills...that would be the only guy worth noting for Louis show casing power,i don't peticularly get impressed with Tony Gallentos or aged Braddocks..not sure why techniques once again is brought up,we are talking punching power not winning fights through being technically superior...which Louis was not to holyfield in anything he did.I agree with your last sentence but again there is no actual video evidence of why Louis hits the hardest,the competition is not there to show case that,he won all his fights due to either size or overwhelmingly being much more skilled in that era.His power would not be a factor in todays modern HW's...since you think so highly of your old time chums,heres a quote directly from Bert Sugar on primo Carnera" Primo is a clown ,hes not a real fighter he is the worst champion in history,he was a joke a sideshow"

what about the larger men in buddy baer,abe simon and max bear although not as large had a major league chin

[juggernaut666]

You can't possibly think that the old, fat 260 lb version of Foreman hit harder than the 217 lb version that destroyed Frazier the first time? Not sure where you get your 190 lb figure, but Louis was 207 for the Abe Simon and Buddy Baer fights, weight he carried very well. If you can't recognize a single good fighter that Louis knocked out, then you're in the right section to learn. Perhaps from someone with a bit more patience than me.

Louis began his career as a 190 pounder he fought at 170 before even turning pro...as far as foreman..well you do realize Frazier weighed 224 and was completey out of shape from his 205 pound weight right?

"Foreman would have giving Ali a better fight in his 40's,he became smarter and picked his shots,he was more relaxed and because of that took a better punch,he also slowed a bit but timed his punches better,he became a more effective fighter" Angelo Dundee...not sure why you think a 260 pound foreman hits less than a 220 anyway,total nonsense right there...learn from who? Everyone in this forum is very delusional but a select few ,keep in mind I just gave REAL quotes and facts as usual...keepem coming....