Originally posted by mystyal2k5
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Ok. Butterfly - Ali was like lightning with his upper-body movement. His reflexes were astounding, and his displays against Terrell and Williams are the best displays of elusiveness I've ever seen at heavyweight. He effortlessly moves his head to make the punch miss by an inch, with his hands hanging at his side.
However, this was primarily based on reflexes and upper body speed. BEST is a term that takes into account more than speed. Eg. Louis was a better puncher than Foreman, even though Foreman was a bigger puncher. Tyson had better head movement than Ali. It was more conventional (which doesnt make better, I know) it was quick, and very effective. Watching a prime Tyson evade some punches is amazing.
Conclusion - Ali faster head movement, Tyson better head movement.
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Ali used incredible head movement at times. Im sure he had better reflexes then Tyson and had faster head movement, however tyson used head movement intensively throughout a fight and it was his main defensive technique which he used very effectively. Amazing how he avoided some of those straight punches thrown from taller fighters.
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Head movement, I think Tyson, he used to train with the swinging lead and rope line and was absulutely awesome at it!
Ali, overall boxing skill and defensive!
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Enough about Ali's reflexes.
Its about the best headmovement and its without a doubt Iron Mike. Jack Dempsey started it, Floyd Patterson improved it and Tyson did it the best. Nobody ever moved his head as good as Tyson.
Its just a dam shame he stopped his head movement later in his career. He screwed his fighting style the moment he left Rooney. No more head movement and jabs= no more good defence like before. If Tyson didn't move his head, he could be beaten. Douglass and Holyfield showed it.
This is the top 3.
1-Tyson
2-Patterson
3-Dempsey
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The reason people think Tysons head movement was great is because he was alot shorted than his opposition and he could use his height to his advantage, thus making his head movement more effective, but Ali didn't have this, he'd predict the punch before they threw it, and just lean his head back, so the punch didn't even hit him, it's close, but i'd go with Ali.
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Originally posted by hellfire508Ok. Butterfly - Ali was like lightning with his upper-body movement. His reflexes were astounding, and his displays against Terrell and Williams are the best displays of elusiveness I've ever seen at heavyweight. He effortlessly moves his head to make the punch miss by an inch, with his hands hanging at his side.
However, this was primarily based on reflexes and upper body speed. BEST is a term that takes into account more than speed. Eg. Louis was a better puncher than Foreman, even though Foreman was a bigger puncher. Tyson had better head movement than Ali. It was more conventional (which doesnt make better, I know) it was quick, and very effective. Watching a prime Tyson evade some punches is amazing.
Conclusion - Ali faster head movement, Tyson better head movement.
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Ali had best upper body movement but Tyson had better head movement. Remember Tyson was shorter and Tyson had to get on the inside. Ali was moving his head backwards away from a punch most times.
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