Who do you rank higher as an all-time great, Pacquiao or JC Chavez?

[LacedUp]

Probably Chavez. But it may just be nostalgia talking. Pacquiao has the better resume I think. He's today's Roberto Duran.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Chavez has
Mario Martinez
Rosario
Lockridge
Jl Ramirez
Camacho
Haugen
Meldrick
Mayweather twice

That's nine big wins over 3 weight classes across 10 pounds

Manny has

Sasquol
Ledbewa
Barrera twice
Marquez twice
Morales twice
Oscar
Hatton
Cotto
Bradley (basically twice)

That's 12 big wins across 7 divisions over 40 pounds


And one could argue that mosely, margarito, algieri, rios, larios are better than haugen or Martinez


I just don't see how it can be so clear cut for Chavez...


I believe manny has more titles, more weight classes, more big spectacular wins, more longevity at the world class level, and arguably the better list of foes, and I think the first Barrera win is the best win for either guy

[ShoulderRoll]

You think Algieri was better than Greg Haugen? There's just no way, at least not up to this point in his career.

Haugen was a world champ in two separate weight classes and holds nice wins over Hector Camacho and Vinny Pazienza.

[Elroy1]

Pacquaio is probably the greatest lb for lb fighter of all time, in the world.

Despite his KO loss, he is over all better than Marquez.

He has been ducked by the number 2 guy Floyd for years and most sober analysts would suggest he would overwhelm and crush that defence.

Chavez was good but I think many other boxers would beat him prome for prime.

There's never been such a combination of qualities ever compressed into one tiny fighter as Manny.

Simply a legend!

[PAC-BOY]

Algieri name should not even be mentioned in this conversation. Hes a bum beater with a shot that looked good (not great) against a guy who was head hunting him and not throwing punches or combos.

back on topic. I have it a close draw. I do think Manny has accomplished more

[rightsideup]

Manny never got stopped in his prime.. I don't count his teenage years as being prime

my bad he was young but had a few title defences under his belt

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You think Algieri was better than Greg Haugen? There's just no way, at least not up to this point in his career.

Haugen was a world champ in two separate weight classes and holds nice wins over Hector Camacho and Vinny Pazienza.

Jury still out on algieri, I just don't think haugen was much of a threat when Chavez fought him.. Haugen basically talked himself into that fight and it was a few years after his biggest successes..
Not trying to knock Greg but I don't think he would come close to being a big win for manny,, I feel he is on par with oscar larios.. Faded Shane and margs were better than that haugen IMO

[Sugar Adam Ali]

my bad he was young but had a few title defences under his belt

Yeah, he won it by ko, defended by ko, and then got ko'd all in the span of a year, either 98 or 99

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Algieri name should not even be mentioned in this conversation. Hes a bum beater with a shot that looked good (not great) against a guy who was head hunting him and not throwing punches or combos.

back on topic. I have it a close draw. I do think Manny has accomplished more

Time will tell with algieri, but yes, probably shouldn't have been mentioned

[Weltschmerz]

For me it is Pacquiao. His resume is impressive, just his overall achievements exceed those of Chavez to some extend. P4P I rate Pacman higher as well, and I am a big fan of both fighters.