How High in the ATG list is Juan Manuel Marquez

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Neither were the first two Pacquiao fights imo. Very close fights that he could have won but not even close to being robberies.

Totally agree...

I actually think manny has a case of being robbed in the first Marquez fight since one judge didn't give him credit for all 3 knockdowns in the fight..

I think the 2nd fight was super close.. I had it 114-113 manny

The third fight I thought was a robbery,, I thought jmm clearly won that fight and there was little doubt about it IMO

Chris john fight was just very close, very hard to score...no robbery

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Agree with your assessment of his technical skills but I think both Morales and Barrera rank above him.

Honestly I have debated over the ranking of morales, jmm, mab, and am 100% certain there is no correct answer..

Of all the great fighters that are grouped together (Ali,Frazier, foreman, the Fab Four, Tito-oscar-Shane-Vargas, Lennox-Tyson-Holyfield) morales, Marquez and Barrera are by far the hardest to separate and rank..

[ironmt]

Honestly I have debated over the ranking of morales, jmm, mab, and am 100% certain there is no correct answer..

Of all the great fighters that are grouped together (Ali,Frazier, foreman, the Fab Four, Tito-oscar-Shane-Vargas, Lennox-Tyson-Holyfield) morales, Marquez and Barrera are by far the hardest to separate and rank..

I can certainly understand where you are coming from.