Is Roy Jones the P4P GOAT?

[VG_Addict]

Well, is he? He started at JMW, and won a title at HW. He also beat Toney and Hopkins, two top 20 ATGs.

[soul_survivor]

well he quite clearly isn't, he got stopped by Tarver and Johnson, both limited fighters and rarely faced a top dog in his career.

That Toney win is damn impressive but Toney is hardly a top 20 ATG.

In terms of physical gifts and natural talent, RJJ is certainly up there but his in ring achievements pale in comparison to most of the truly great, upper echelon level fighters.

In terms of favourites, RJJ is someone who I grew up watching and loved some of his fights, his style was just so different. But we have to be objective here.

[SBleeder]

Toney and Hopkins are not top 20 ATGs. Jones was great, but nowhere near the GOAT.

[Elroy1]

Despite my opinions in the previous Roy Jones thread, which I find unrealistic and disrespectful...

THIS I think has substantial merit.

Roy Jones was SO good lb for lb that he very well could be the GOAT.

Ok so he lost a couple of fights, they were anything but bums, everybody has bad days and so on...

You don't HAVE to be 46-0 to be the GOAT you know. A few losses don't call anything into question at all. A lot of losses do!

[LacedUp]

Wouldn't say Hopkins and Toney are top 20 ATGs.

But let's look at things. From MW-HW.
Jones' prime ended with Ruiz, right? We can agree to that.

Was he one of the best fighters we had ever seen? Yes, I think he was. There aren't many people in history I would pick to beat a prime Roy Jones jr.

Would you?

So yes, I would say he's definitely up there in terms of P4P. But obviously not the greatest.

[New England]

f#ck no. he's one of the most overrated fighters of all time for sure.


great fighter. greater talent.

nowhere near the greatest of all time.



and @ james toney being a top 20 all time great.

hopkins isn't either, but it's much funnier to see toney mentioned as a top 20 all timer.

[LacedUp]

f#ck no. he's one of the most overrated fighters of all time for sure.


great fighter. greater talent.

nowhere near the greatest of all time.



and @ james toney being a top 20 all time great.

hopkins isn't either, but it's much funnier to see toney mentioned as a top 20 all timer.

Yes, that was a bit cringey.

[Ray Corso]

Roy Jones was a superior athlete who choose boxing as his sport and his athletic ability had as much to do with his success as his boxing skills did.
I don't consider him an ATG however I believe he is a top twenty light heavyweight who could mix with anyone in history and do well.
The awards given by fans when he won a heavy title is absurd to me, there's tons of heavy title matches that are meaningless in history.

Very entertaining and had the will to win and also struggled to let it go when his best was gone. I think Roy misses the accolades more than most do. He reminds me of Evander and how they have the willingness to compete but their bodies are used up.

His era wasn't an outstanding one but he fought pretty strong guys and was the number one man during his best years. After 2004 he wasn't the same fighter but prior to that he fought very good competitive guys and gave Hopkins a boxing lesson when Bernards people thought Bernard could get the distance and win, they couldn't!
A few of his opponents that were good fighters;
J.Vaca
T. Tate
G. Johnson
G. Wolfe
J. Toney
M. Sosa
M. McCallum
M.Griffin
V. Hill
O.Grant
R. Johnson
E. Harding
J. Gonzales
G.Kelly
Tarver (W&L)

all of these fellows were pretty damn good and Roy was the better man during his best years.
Ray.

[Elroy1]

Roy Jones was a superior athlete who choose boxing as his sport and his athletic ability had as much to do with his success as his boxing skills did.
I don't consider him an ATG however I believe he is a top twenty light heavyweight who could mix with anyone in history and do well.
The awards given by fans when he won a heavy title is absurd to me, there's tons of heavy title matches that are meaningless in history.

Very entertaining and had the will to win and also struggled to let it go when his best was gone. I think Roy misses the accolades more than most do. He reminds me of Evander and how they have the willingness to compete but their bodies are used up.

His era wasn't an outstanding one but he fought pretty strong guys and was the number one man during his best years. After 2004 he wasn't the same fighter but prior to that he fought very good competitive guys and gave Hopkins a boxing lesson when Bernards people thought Bernard could get the distance and win, they couldn't!
A few of his opponents that were good fighters;
J.Vaca
T. Tate
G. Johnson
G. Wolfe
J. Toney
M. Sosa
M. McCallum
M.Griffin
V. Hill
O.Grant
R. Johnson
E. Harding
J. Gonzales
G.Kelly
Tarver (W&L)

all of these fellows were pretty damn good and Roy was the better man during his best years.
Ray.

You know this is otherwise a good post except this...

Roy Jones isn't an ATG...

You always have to take the very best boxers and run them down into the ground in favour of your favourites of eras past.

To say that Roy Jones is not an ATG but admit other guys who could barely even box makes you a fool!

[Ray Corso]

Sonny you have a habit of interrupting other posts and then insulting the posters. Why do you call adults names when you know theres no consequences to be paid? Are you ignorant? Are you afraid? are you just ******! Were you born this way? Do you work at it and is this the only job you have?
Are you aware that calling an adult a fool because you disagree with the opinion offered makes you the fool? Sonny are you aware of "anything"?

To me he's not an ATG, so......................I believe their are very few ATG in sports. Most fans on this forum have 20 or 50 boxers they think are ATG, that's fine with me. To me the word "great" has a very special meaning.
I don't think theres more than 7 or 10 ATG in any weight class but that's me!

Now go away you little blimp or I'll squash you, Ray.