Kostya Tszyu-where does he rank?

[young_robbed]

Oh the irony!

how is it ironic? I value great performances against great fighters and Tszyu never had that. I realize the black bottle comes in to play but Pryor was performing great against Arugello up till that point.. So anyway, Tszyu is no great fighter

[Humean]

how is it ironic? I value great performances against great fighters and Tszyu never had that. I realize the black bottle comes in to play but Pryor was performing great against Arugello up till that point.. So anyway, Tszyu is no great fighter

I was thinking less the bottle and more the weight and whether Arguello was 'prime', not to mention whether Cervantes was 'prime' and the standard of the rest of Pryor's opponents. If you are consistent then i'm not sure how you can be so dismissive of Tszyu and yet hold your beliefs about Pryor.

I personally rate Pryor just ahead of Tszyu

[young_robbed]

I was thinking less the bottle and more the weight and whether Arguello was 'prime', not to mention whether Cervantes was 'prime' and the standard of the rest of Pryor's opponents. If you are consistent then i'm not sure how you can be so dismissive of Tszyu and yet hold your beliefs about Pryor.

I personally rate Pryor just ahead of Tszyu

Yeah Arguello wasn't at his best weight and his best days were behind him but he was still a lethal 140 pounder. Arguello & Cervantes were both on winning streaks and were doing very well in that weight class. as a matter of fact Arguello looked indestructible against Rooney. Tszyu's never fought a guy that can be compared to Arguello.

[ShoulderRoll]

The Arguello that Pryor fought had a lot more left than the JC Chavez that Tszyu fought, that's for sure.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

If you are an historically (more limited history that some other divisions) top 10 junior welterweight then are you not a great junior welterweight? Or do you think you can name 10 better or greater junior welterweights?

Surely someone could reasonably question the resume of both De La Hoya and Mosley at 135-140 and 135 respectively in the same way that you are questioning Tszyu? You may be right that De La Hoya and Mosley would have defeated Tszyu but is that a big criticism of him? I am convinced it would be far from a mismatch and that Tszyu would have stood a pretty good chance against both around the late 90s.

If u want to go by resumes, yes at 140 tszyu is probably top 10 at 140. But it's debatable..

Hopkins mw run and wlad's heavy resume are considered weak by a lot of people but I think they beat better fighters during those reigns that Kosta did.. Johnson, Tito, Byrd, haye, Povetkin are better than zab, tackie, leija

Not trying to knock tyszu, but historical he gets overrated..


And for the record, Pryor would maul Kosta

[elfag]

Yeah Floyd ducked a few people for sure. Namely Paul Williams, Prime Cotto, & Martinez. I don't think he didn't want to fight Tszyu though. He would've taken Tszyu to school, honestly.

Floyd weighs 150 pounds on fight night, He didnt ****ing duck martinez.

[Humean]

Yeah Arguello wasn't at his best weight and his best days were behind him but he was still a lethal 140 pounder. Arguello & Cervantes were both on winning streaks and were doing very well in that weight class. as a matter of fact Arguello looked indestructible against Rooney. Tszyu's never fought a guy that can be compared to Arguello.

You don't have to convince me of Pryor's merits, i'm just saying that you could always question Pryor harshly the way you are questioning Tszyu. You are holding Tszyu up to different standards than you are for Pryor. It sounds like the same old game played on here time and time again of accepting a reason to devalue the wins of fighters that you dislike and then choosing not to accept reasons to devalue wins of fighters that you do like.

The Arguello that Pryor fought had a lot more left than the JC Chavez that Tszyu fought, that's for sure.

I don't think anyone is arguing to the contrary.

If u want to go by resumes, yes at 140 tszyu is probably top 10 at 140. But it's debatable..

Hopkins mw run and wlad's heavy resume are considered weak by a lot of people but I think they beat better fighters during those reigns that Kosta did.. Johnson, Tito, Byrd, haye, Povetkin are better than zab, tackie, leija

Not trying to knock tyszu, but historical he gets overrated..


And for the record, Pryor would maul Kosta

Name 10 junior welterweights you think have at least as strong a case as Kostya Tszyu for being in the top 10 at 140.

[young_robbed]

You don't have to convince me of Pryor's merits, i'm just saying that you could always question Pryor harshly the way you are questioning Tszyu. You are holding Tszyu up to different standards than you are for Pryor. It sounds like the same old game played on here time and time again of accepting a reason to devalue the wins of fighters that you dislike and then choosing not to accept reasons to devalue wins of fighters that you do like

No win on Tszyu's resume comes close to Pryor's win over Arguello. That's the whole point here. Tszyu was one of the best light welters ever, but he is not better than Pryor. Pryor would have never lost to Phillips which obviously affects Tszyu's legacy negatively.

Name 10 junior welterweights you think have at least as strong a case as Kostya Tszyu for being in the top 10 at 140.

in no order

Meldrick Taylor
Tony Canzoneri
De La Hoya
Locche
Cervantes
Coggi
Benitez
Ross
Pryor
Jackie Kid Berg
Chavez
Duilio Loi

there you go

[Mugwump]

Excellent technician. Especially when he was younger (things got a bit sloppy towards the end). As others have said - the ideal mix of ringcraft, fighting skills and table-turning power.

Yes, I suppose you could be picky over his resume. But it's not like he fought muppets.

Don't really go for "Top (X)" lists.

Suffice to say he was definitely one of the best boxers of his generation.

Oh - and he was a SUPERB amateur. Which stands for something, too.

[ShoulderRoll]

I don't think anyone is arguing to the contrary.

You questioned whether Arguello was prime. What does it matter, since prime or not he was still better than the Chavez that Tszyu fought?

If we are comparing resumes then Arguello helps Pryor. He doesn't hurt him.