Who thinks the FIRST clay-liston fight was fixed?

[BKM-]

Smasher and Butterfly should go to a hotellroom and have a threesome with Ali.

Dissing my boy Marciano because of his size..weak.

[butterfly1964]

Smasher and Butterfly should go to a hotellroom and have a threesome with Ali.

Dissing my boy Marciano because of his size..weak.

you and mystyal2k5 should have a threesome with tyson.

[BKM-]

you and mystyal2k5 should have a threesome with tyson.

Can't think of anything else but to use my post huh...weak. Just like Ali would be after Rocky beats him.

[butterfly1964]

Can't think of anything else but to use my post huh...weak. Just like Ali would be after Rocky beats him.

now your getting rediculous.

[smasher]

Smasher and Butterfly should go to a hotellroom and have a threesome with Ali.

I've noticed your wonderfully articulated put-downs ALWAYS have a ****sexual theme. Is there something that is constantly on your mind of late? Whose the guy with 4 pictures of topless men on his postings?

[BKM-]

Haha dude keeps following me in every thread i post.
Who's gay now? I guess thats why you're still an ''up and cummer''.

Now leave me alone for ones. Last time im gonna react to your child ish posts.

*waits for smasher to start bitching*

[butterfly1964]

I've noticed your wonderfully articulated put-downs ALWAYS have a ****sexual theme. Is there something that is constantly on your mind of late? Whose the guy with 4 pictures of topless men on his postings?

haha, lol!

[smasher]

Haha dude keeps following me in every thread i post.
Who's gay now? I guess thats why you're still an ''up and cummer''.

Now leave me alone for ones. Last time im gonna react to your child ish posts.

*waits for smasher to start bitching*

"Whose gay now" "up and cummer"

I rest my case. Two topless Tyson pictures and recurring ****sexual themes and terminology...

[Yogi]

Don't give Marciano too much credit for beating Louis. That's like Tyson beating Holmes, Holmes beating Ali, McBride beating Tyson, or Donald beating Holyfield.

****ing ridiculous comparisions!

Sure he was obviously past his best, but at the time Louis fought Marciano he was much better than those other fighter you mentioned in your examples...

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit for defeating a guy who was ranked higher than him (#2 & #3 respectively in Ring Magazine)?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit for defeating a guy who was the betting favourite to win the fight?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit nowadays for the win, when at that time he recieved big credit for defeating Louis (including post-fight New York articles about him "climbing Mount Olympus", as well as parades in his honour)?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit when it was obvious by Louis' impressive & dominating performance against Savold just a few months that he still had plenty to offer against the top Heavyweights of that time (Louis beat the **** out of Savold in the fight, bloodied him up quite badly and finished with a one-punch left hook KO)...Louis was also VERY active leading up to the fight with Marciano, which included wins against top ten ranked contenders and recent contenders alike?

Like I said in the opening, Louis was obviously past his best by that point in his career, but it's completely & entirely wrong to take a 2005 view of that fight without going back into that time and review what was going on...

To me, no matter who it was, a fighter who defeats the higher ranked #2 contender (and Joe was #1 just before that, but Charles took over that position when he lost the title to Walcott...an agreement was in place that stipulated had Charles defeated Walcott in that fight, Louis was getting the next title shot), a fighter favoured over him, a fighter who looked very good in a then recent bout (and Joe didn't look all that bad for the first five or six rounds vs, Marciano...pretty even fight at that point), etc., is going to recive a decent amount of credit from me...especially when that fighter recieved his share of credit right after the fight was actually fought.

You can look all this stuff up for yourself if you want (rankings, fight footage of Joe's vs. Savold & Marciano, newspaper articles pre & post fight, etc., etc.).

[butterfly1964]

****ing ridiculous comparisions!

Sure he was obviously past his best, but at the time Louis fought Marciano he was much better than those other fighter you mentioned in your examples...

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit for defeating a guy who was ranked higher than him (#2 & #3 respectively in Ring Magazine)?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit for defeating a guy who was the betting favourite to win the fight?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit nowadays for the win, when at that time he recieved big credit for defeating Louis (including post-fight New York articles about him "climbing Mount Olympus", as well as parades in his honour)?

Why the hell shouldn't Marciano get credit when it was obvious by Louis' impressive & dominating performance against Savold just a few months that he still had plenty to offer against the top Heavyweights of that time (Louis beat the **** out of Savold in the fight, bloodied him up quite badly and finished with a one-punch left hook KO)...Louis was also VERY active leading up to the fight with Marciano, which included wins against top ten ranked contenders and recent contenders alike?

Like I said in the opening, Louis was obviously past his best by that point in his career, but it's completely & entirely wrong to take a 2005 view of that fight without going back into that time and review what was going on...

To me, no matter who it was, a fighter who defeats the higher ranked #2 contender (and Joe was #1 just before that, but Charles took over that position when he lost the title to Walcott...an agreement was in place that stipulated had Charles defeated Walcott in that fight, Louis was getting the next title shot), a fighter favoured over him, a fighter who looked very good in a then recent bout (and Joe didn't look all that bad for the first five or six rounds vs, Marciano...pretty even fight at that point), etc., is going to recive a decent amount of credit from me...especially when that fighter recieved his share of credit right after the fight was actually fought.

You can look all this stuff up for yourself if you want (rankings, fight footage of Joe's vs. Savold & Marciano, newspaper articles pre & post fight, etc., etc.).

nice post.