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Originally posted by butterfly1964foreman punches harder than shavers.
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Originally posted by YogiMaybe Foreman hits harder to some young internet poster, but according to their common opponents Shavers was the harder puncher of the two, and I've posted their quotes before that backed that statement.
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Originally posted by butterfly1964ali said shavers hit harder, cause ali was weaker when he fought shavers then when he fought foreman.
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Hhhhhh, its not harder than a Tyson punch and definitely not harder than a Shavers or Foreman. You said it was the hardest punch ever. I'll wipe my ass with that statement.
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Originally posted by YogiHmm, and I suppose you're going to find another excuse dismissing both Jimmy Young and Ron Lyle's opinion that Shavers hit harder than Foreman, as well, yes?
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I wouldn't rate Frazier's chin any better than Dempsey's. In fact Dempsey's chin seemed better in that he usually came back and KO'ed his opponent not long after he was rocked or knocked down whereas Frazier usually had a lot of trouble with opponents who knocked him down (Bonavena) or outright lost to them (Foreman, Ali in the second fight etc.) Frazier was mentally tough but his chin was an eight out of ten (perhaps a nine) and not even close to one of the best ever. Hell he didn't even have the best chin of his own era, let alone all time.
McCall, Jeffries, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Quarry, Chuvalo, Galento, Tua, Uzcudan, Baer, Tyson, Cobb, and perhaps even Sam Peter just off the top of my head. I'd consider their chins (not neccesarily their ability to win fights or fight back from getting hurt but their innate ability to be unaffected by hard punches) better than Frazier's. If you want to say Frazier was one of the top three MENTALLY toughest fighters I'd agree but physically he didn't even have an all time top ten chin (for a heavyweight). In terms of P4P I don't know if his chin would crack the top 50.
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Originally posted by supaduckhaha, it's definitely harder than anything Tyson ever threw. Graham was knocked out for five minutes after that, I don't recall Tyson knocking anybody out for that long.
This was a very hard punch but not the hardest ever.
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