patterson vs. walcott

[butterfly1964]

Uh, no they weren't. Patterson was a frail little guy, his wrist circumerence was around 6 inches. He may have weighed about 190 but he was a smaller man than Ingo Johanson when they fought and would be smaller than Walcott in regards to his physical dimensions. So he was smaller and weaker than Walcott. Punching power was about even and Patterson quicker by far. Walcott was a better boxer and had a better defense. Patterson had quick hands but wasn't hard to find at all.

I go with Walcott.

punching power goes to patterson, speed go to patterson, defense goes to patterson, chin goes to patterson, size about the same.

[Da Iceman]

walcott's defense was top rank but patterson still ko's him

[Kid Achilles]

Explain to me how Patterson had a better defense when that was one of his weak points. Did you ever see the first fight with Ingemar Johansson? He could have thrown that right hand behind his back and found Patterson's chin.

Floyd Patterson was an exciting fighter with blitzing handspeed and good power, but he was not a better defensive boxer than Walcott.

As for his chin, no way in hell is it better than Walcotts. Patterson may have had the worst chin of any HW champion.

[butterfly1964]

As for his chin, no way in hell is it better than Walcotts. Patterson may have had the worst chin of any HW champion.

paterson had a worse chin? if you say patterson has the worst chin then you obviously have never heard of watcott. watcott was ko'd by 5 different people in his career, some of them few have ever even heard of. patterosn was ko'd only by two different people, liston and johansson (ali only stopped him not ko him). watcott has one of the worst chins ive ever seen. he was ko'd by absolute bums. patterson on top of that fought better people than watcott, but still managed to get stopped less times. so their is no comparison.

[Kid Achilles]

Walcott fought half starved in many of his early bouts and in some of those fights he very well may have taken a dive.

Anyway, you're only looking at who had knockout losses to who. Just watching film of the two you can see that Walcott clearly reacts to a shot better. If you want to go the statistic root, Patterson was knocked down more than any other heavyweight champion, including in one match against a guy making his pro debut.

Patterson had the inferior chin and anyone with a good grasp of heavyweight history would agree with me. You're just trying to build up Patterson because he was an Ali opponent. You attempted to do the same thing with Mildenberger in the "greatest southpaw HW" thread.

I am done arguing with you on this thread. I can only take so much of your biased nonsense in one sitting.

[M26]

Jersey Joe Walcott definitely would be Floyd Patterson superior in both the chin and defense department. Patterson had no chin, and his defense was poor.

[Kid Achilles]

Another thing, who hasn't watched the first Walcott-Marciano fight where Jersey Joe takes some hard shots from an all time great puncher and takes them well? That famous photograph of Walcott's face distorted by a Marciano right, that wasn't the shot that knocked him out. Walcott took that punch. Also the punches he took against Joe Louis, who while not at his best was still a dangerous hitter. Walcott didn't have the best chin of all time but he was durable.

That he would compare Patterson's chin favorably with Walcott's is just another example of how biased Butterfly is with his arguments when it comes to Ali or Ali's opponents.

[butterfly1964]

Walcott fought half starved in many of his early bouts and in some of those fights he very well may have taken a dive.

Anyway, you're only looking at who had knockout losses to who. Just watching film of the two you can see that Walcott clearly reacts to a shot better. If you want to go the statistic root, Patterson was knocked down more than any other heavyweight champion, including in one match against a guy making his pro debut.

Patterson had the inferior chin and anyone with a good grasp of heavyweight history would agree with me. You're just trying to build up Patterson because he was an Ali opponent. You attempted to do the same thing with Mildenberger in the "greatest southpaw HW" thread.

I am done arguing with you on this thread. I can only take so much of your biased nonsense in one sitting.

yeah, sure watcott reacted to a shot better. of course if you fought marciano you would react to a shot better than if you fought liston, that doesn't mean his chin is better than patterson. again, patterson fought better competition. i'm building up patterson? it's not like i just said patterson was better without giving any reasons. and you don't know if walcott took dives, so enough said on that. again, watcott was knocked out by guys i never even heard of. on top of that, he has more than twice as many losses as patterson. don't paint me as an ali nuthugger, especially on threads that have nothing to do with ali like this one or threads that i have not even mentioned ali like this one. patterson is superior to watcott because he is. if you read the thread about top 10 favorite hw's watcott is fifth on my list, and patterson is seventh, so if i was "building up" a fighter it would be watcott, wouldn't it? but no, i'm saying patterson is better because i think he is, not because i like him better than watcott, because i don't.

[butterfly1964]

Another thing, who hasn't watched the first Walcott-Marciano fight where Jersey Joe takes some hard shots from an all time great puncher and takes them well? That famous photograph of Walcott's face distorted by a Marciano right, that wasn't the shot that knocked him out. Walcott took that punch. Also the punches he took against Joe Louis, who while not at his best was still a dangerous hitter. Walcott didn't have the best chin of all time but he was durable.

That he would compare Patterson's chin favorably with Walcott's is just another example of how biased Butterfly is with his arguments when it comes to Ali or Ali's opponents.

marciano has by far the most overrated punching power of any hw. on patterson's best night (johannson in '60) he could have taken the same punishment watcott took.

[Yogi]

paterson had a worse chin? if you say patterson has the worst chin then you obviously have never heard of watcott. watcott was ko'd by 5 different people in his career, some of them few have ever even heard of. he was ko'd by absolute bums.

You're the one who is in no position to judge Walcott, Butterfly, if you've never heard of Tiger Jack Fox or Abe Simon...Fox was considered one of the very hardest p4p hitters during his time (#51 on Ring's Greatest Punchers) and is still to this day considered one of the hardest hitting Light Heavyweights of all-time. And you're obviously not familiar with Walcott taking the Abe Simon fight on last minute notice (two or three days), and their's still to this day arguments about the legitimacy of the knockout.

Who else besides Louis & Marciano knocked out Walcott...Al Ettore? I don't know the specifics of that fight, but for someone who excuses Ali's early performances against the likes of Banks, Cooper, and Jones, you sure do have a hypocritical attitude when it comes to other fighters who are early in their careers.

If you say Patterson had a better chin you obviously don't know enough about Walcott & his opponents to make an intelligent argument...Ever heard of fighters like Elmer 'Violent' Ray, Tommy Gomez, Lee Q. Murray, Curtis 'Hatchetman' Sheppard, Hein Ten Hoff, etc.? Probably not, but every single one of those fighters there were respected and sometimes feared for the great power in their punches, yet not a single one of them were able to stop Walcott or put him down for the count...And at least two of those guys cracked the Ring's Greatest Punchers list with Ray at #44 and Gomez at #72.

Unlike Patterson who was rarely in there with a big puncher (and was getting KO'd when he was), there were plenty of times when Walcott proved himself capable of taking the power of the hardest punching Heavyweights of his generation.