Was JMM avoided by Prince Naseem Hamed?

[Capaedia]

Norwood was like a third rate Naz and we saw how Marquez perfomed in that fight.

If i wanted to compare them that simply i couldve called Naz a third rate Pacquiao. But i didnt so i wrote an analysis instead.


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[Cardinal Buck]

If i wanted to compare them that simply i couldve called Naz a third rate Pacquiao. But i didnt so i wrote an analysis instead.


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...and you skipped my next post bc u were too busy praising yourself. Btw Pac wasn't that good at those weights. Easily worse than naz at 122.

[Capaedia]

...and you skipped my next post bc u were too busy praising yourself. Btw Pac wasn't that good at those weights. Easily worse than naz at 122.

Two posts and an hour after your first, addressed to someone else. Pardon me

Marquez never fought at 122 so I assume the match up was there, but Pacquiao has a dominant stoppage win over the man who humiliated Naz at the same weight.

Naz was small at feather, Norwood was bigger and longer, Manny was huge. They are all completely separate challenges. If you want to stratify it that much to compare fighters, Pac proved he was the best of the three. But theyre all awkward southpaws

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This Is what Manny Stewart had to say about Marquez:

"I remember when was involved with training Prince Naseem Hamed about ten years ago, he was the one fighter that I told Naz that I didn’t want to fight. I mean he was that good already and he was nowhere like he is now."

[baya]

maybe not hamed, but steward has confirmed that he had absolutely no interest in ever fighting jmm due strictly to his skill set.

and hamed beating morales, what a joke!!

[K-DOGG]

JMM missed out not only on a payday against Hamed; but against the others stars in his weight division at that time, with the exception of Manny Pacquiao primarily because he was seen as a high risk/low reward opponent.

[Sugarj]

maybe not hamed, but steward has confirmed that he had absolutely no interest in ever fighting jmm due strictly to his skill set.

and hamed beating morales, what a joke!!

Again, we have some very short memories!

Morales looked far from convincing in his final fights at super bantam around 1999-2000 (McCullough/Barrera 1). Indeed, Hamed beat McCullough more convincingly than Morales.

Morales was probably tight at the weight, but when he did move up to featherweight he did need time to grow into the new division. It took him three rounds longer than Hamed to dispose of an older/far post prime Kevin Kelley and he was hardly sensational in grinding out hard fought decisions with Espadas and Chi.

After 2000, Hamed was on the slide himself; I'd never seen him more sloppy than when he met Sanchez or Barrera, but I wouldn't have counted him out against Morales at that time who was clearly struggling with the new division.

Morales wasn't as defensively 'cute' as Barrera was when the latter met Hamed. He might have found Hamed's power too much at that point......and Naz might have been rather more flattered by Morales's willingness to brawl.

Not a fight I'd bet on, to be sure!

[Ham Porter]

Marquez was offered a career high purse (somewhere around $400,000 - $500,000) and rejected it and fought some other irrelevant fighter during the same month that Hamed was scheduled to fight again.


The notion that Marquez was lowballed is just ridiculous. Even if you ignore the fact that he was offered more money than he had ever earned previously, he wasn't even a year removed from a poor performance/terrible fight against Freddie Norwood, which was by far the biggest stage he had performed on by that point.


He wasn't a title holder, had zero following and wasn't in a position to negotiate with someone of Hamed's standing. He had zero excuse for not fighting Hamed.

[BennyST]

Marquez was offered a career high purse (somewhere around $400,000 - $500,000) and rejected it and fought some other irrelevant fighter during the same month that Hamed was scheduled to fight again.


The notion that Marquez was lowballed is just ridiculous. Even if you ignore the fact that he was offered more money than he had ever earned previously, he wasn't even a year removed from a poor performance/terrible fight against Freddie Norwood, which was by far the biggest stage he had performed on by that point.


He wasn't a title holder, had zero following and wasn't in a position to negotiate with someone of Hamed's standing. He had zero excuse for not fighting Hamed.

Huh? I think you're misinformed there mate. Marquez was Hameds mandatory challenger for two years before Norwood.

The 400,000 was offered and rejected not based on money, but on time. Hameds team had rejected Marquez for two years, while Marquez had to put numerous fights on hold thinking it was going to be made only for them to pull out, then when Marquez was signed to take another fight, Hamed offered it on short notice and said take it or leave it. Marquez agreed on the condition they pay 500,000 for the short notice. They rejected it so the fight didn't get made, because it was a low ball offer after two years of waiting on short notice.

[Ham Porter]

I'm aware of Marquez's mandatory status. Istvan kovacs was also Hamed's mandatory and Hamed never fought him, either.


Hamed was scheduled for a return in August and no sooner than that month; Marquez was offered the fight - and rejected it- in late May. This wasn't a fight offered on short notice and he had more than enough time to prepare for it.