Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[angelo_dundee]

What a ridiculous statement. There are plenty of fighters who would have tested him. And yes, could have beaten him.

List them.

Prime v Prime.


No man test that man! Believe!

[Frazier's 15th round]

Prime vs Prime?

Jack Dempsey, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and George Foreman all would have given him tough fights. Some COULD have beaten him. He might beat them all, he might lose to them all. But all would test him. It would take an all time great to beat him, or someone with the right style, like Ken Norton. But it could be done.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

he's rite

alot of those guys could test him and a handful have a decent chance at beating him
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[angelo_dundee]

Test him, yes. Beat him, I cant see it. Muhammad Ali had it all man, and some cats forget that on top of all his speed, agility, guile, ring generalmanship, heart, chin and courage, he could punch.

Some of those names, ala Dempsey and Rocky, would be too small (JD) or far too limited and mechanical (Marciano) to overcome the quicksilver genuis of Ali.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

hahahaha you got be kidding me

Dempsey would probably test him pretty good

but Marciano i could see beating him and i'm not just saying that cause of the comp fight, i mean i don't think its complete bull**** but i know that it would be different,i can see marciano beating him,

Joe Frazier did beat ali in there second fight, Ken Norton stands a chance, I think of George Foreman were as smart in the 70's as he was in the 90's he would be ali

he's not invincible sure he's good but he ain't invincible,and if you say he is your really hugging his nuts
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

and where the hell did ali come up this thread is about joe louis vs Mike Tyson

niether of them fought ali

i'd rather not argue about this and lets get back to the thread alirte?
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[angelo_dundee]

On the issue, Joe beat Ali in there 1st fight, not 2nd. But we can discuss this in another thread, in fact I'll open one after this post, on the topic, Louis had a great range of skills, but his slow feet and suseptible chin would for my dollar result in Mikey winning this.

[butterfly1964]

What a ridiculous statement. There are plenty of fighters who would have tested him. And yes, could have beaten him.

yeah, tested him, but never beat him. too fast, and too physically strong and big.

[butterfly1964]

Prime vs Prime?

Jack Dempsey, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, and George Foreman all would have given him tough fights. Some COULD have beaten him. He might beat them all, he might lose to them all. But all would test him. It would take an all time great to beat him, or someone with the right style, like Ken Norton. But it could be done.

dempsey was too small and had a weak chin. holmes wasn't as fast as ali. norton or frazier couldn't handle an ali that moved. liston wasn't that fast on his feet, and his style was taylor made for ali. louis was too small, and weak, and slow. marciano was too unskilled, and weak and slow, and uncoordinated, and, well everything! foreman got ko'd by and old ali, so imagine what a young one would do to him!

[Brassangel]

Ugh...

Ali was beatable, as was everybody else. Just saying that "..So-and-so couldn't do it! He was [insert rediculous comment here]!" doesn't make it so. Ali could have had an off night like any other fighter. There weren't many who could have done it, but chances are, it would have to be someone who could pursue quickly and apply ample pressure.

Jack Dempsey: While small, he could still hit hard for a lot of rounds against people far larger than himself. He also had great pursuit.

Joe Frazier: I don't care which Ali you take, this would always produce a great fight. Joe would have turned it up a notch against the Ali of '67. While he may have fallen short, it would still have been thrilling.

Mike Tyson: While many consider him the joke of the biz, he arguably had the fastest feet of any aggressive fighter in the ring. It's been clocked by many professionals and noted that he could chase faster than Ali or Holmes could dance away. Mike's hand speed, power, and pressure application don't need introductions here. Even so, Mike would likely have (the most) difficulty with Ali. His best shot would be in fight 1.

George Foreman: Well, Ali looked spectacular in 1974 in the jungle. He may have been a bit more arrogant when he was younger, which could have cost him. Surprise shots knocked him down a few times in his younger days and George could deliver like no other. This is likely a bad style match up for Mr. Mieneke, however, and Ali wins every time.

Larry Holmes: Take both dancers in their prime and you'd probably have a boring fight. Holmes did have a stronger punch, and a ring generalship similar to his former sparring partner. Pretty even match, with Ali having an edge in the hand speed department.

Lennox Lewis: What?! Lewis couldn't hit like Foreman, and Ali weathered that storm. Lennox was a massive guy with skill, but I imagine Ali wins this one in textbook fashion.

Joe Louis: One of the greatest boxing brains in history. He was slow, however, and had a questionable chin. While the Brown Bomber could figure out most opponents, Ali was a master of destroying game plans. Horrible style matchup for Joe; Ali wins like he did against Patterson.

Now, since this was NOT was this thread was about to begin with, I will turn back to the topic at hand. I am starting to agree with most of the discussion(s) presented here in that Mike Tyson probably takes it to Joe Louis in the early to mid rounds.