Prime Naseem, Would he still be king in this era?

[Scott9945]

Why do you think that? I'm not arguing the point but I don't remember him being past it when he took on MAB. Did he have injuries to his back or something I completely forgot about?

Hamed peaked earlier in his career when Brendon Ingle was his trainer. When he foolishly used two co-trainers his performances declined. He became very wealthy and lost his hunger that he had when he was young. Maybe physically Hamed could have performed, but his heart wasn't in it. That's why he quit after a lethargic win in Europe. He knew the fire was gone. And I'm saying this as a fan of Hamed and someone who believes he should already be in the HOF.

[bklynboy]

Hamed peaked earlier in his career when Brendon Ingle was his trainer. When he foolishly used two co-trainers his performances declined. He became very wealthy and lost his hunger that he had when he was young. Maybe physically Hamed could have performed, but his heart wasn't in it. That's why he quit after a lethargic win in Europe. He knew the fire was gone. And I'm saying this as a fan of Hamed and someone who believes he should already be in the HOF.

No doubt his fire was gone after the MAB fight. I was referring to his physical condition, not mental. If he had regained his will to dominate the division and kept fighting he could have become a much better fighter and proved himself to his detractors. (As he did with me in the Barrera fight.)

[Scott9945]

No doubt his fire was gone after the MAB fight. I was referring to his physical condition, not mental. If he had regained his will to dominate the division and kept fighting he could have become a much better fighter and proved himself to his detractors. (As he did with me in the Barrera fight.)

Well he was having more trouble making weight. Seeing how much he has ballooned in weight since he retired indicates that. But I do agree with you that he wasn't as physically shaky as guys like Chad Dawson or Juanma Lopez are now at a similar age.

[Prince Mongo]

Hamed peaked earlier in his career when Brendon Ingle was his trainer. When he foolishly used two co-trainers his performances declined. He became very wealthy and lost his hunger that he had when he was young. Maybe physically Hamed could have performed, but his heart wasn't in it. That's why he quit after a lethargic win in Europe. He knew the fire was gone. And I'm saying this as a fan of Hamed and someone who believes he should already be in the HOF.

This is an excuse and a lame one. The fact he decided to have 2 trainers and abandon the winning formula he had with Ingle is down to him. The truth is Herol Bomber Graham had a bigger influence on his development than Ingle did. Ingle learned from Graham not the other way round,the Ingle style is really a rehashed Herol Bomber Graham style. If he found out the hard way that the new 2 coach formula was not working he was young enough to go back to what did work after the Barrera fight but CHOSE not to.
Desire is a big factor in a fighter and if it is lacking it is lacking which clearly in his case it was.He liked one way traffic and the bottom line was he knew in order to step up and fight the best things were going to get tough so he CHOSE to opt out. Those are not the characteristics of true champions.
Had he fought several top fighters in their prime and no just quit after losing to one you could say it was an off night. But the fact he CHOSE to call it a day says a lot about his real character. He had the physical gifts to be great but his ego was so big he CHOSE to bail out of the big challenges to keep his myth in tact. Unlike someone like Froch he was not prepared to lay everything on the line,like I said he liked one way traffic.

[Japanese Boxing]

most overrated fighter in recent history.

[Scott9945]

This is an excuse and a lame one. The fact he decided to have 2 trainers and abandon the winning formula he had with Ingle is down to him. The truth is Herol Bomber Graham had a bigger influence on his development than Ingle did. Ingle learned from Graham not the other way round,the Ingle style is really a rehashed Herol Bomber Graham style. If he found out the hard way that the new 2 coach formula was not working he was young enough to go back to what did work after the Barrera fight but CHOSE not to.
Desire is a big factor in a fighter and if it is lacking it is lacking which clearly in his case it was.He liked one way traffic and the bottom line was he knew in order to step up and fight the best things were going to get tough so he CHOSE to opt out. Those are not the characteristics of true champions.
Had he fought several top fighters in their prime and no just quit after losing to one you could say it was an off night. But the fact he CHOSE to call it a day says a lot about his real character. He had the physical gifts to be great but his ego was so big he CHOSE to bail out of the big challenges to keep his myth in tact. Unlike someone like Froch he was not prepared to lay everything on the line,like I said he liked one way traffic.

Other than you obviously hating Hamed, I don't see what your dispute is. I said he lost his desire to fight, so how is that a lame excuse? It seems like you were just looking for an excuse to rip him again. Whether your back story is true or not, he was a better fighter under Ingle.

[Roy Jones Jnr]

This is an excuse and a lame one. The fact he decided to have 2 trainers and abandon the winning formula he had with Ingle is down to him. The truth is Herol Bomber Graham had a bigger influence on his development than Ingle did. Ingle learned from Graham not the other way round,the Ingle style is really a rehashed Herol Bomber Graham style. If he found out the hard way that the new 2 coach formula was not working he was young enough to go back to what did work after the Barrera fight but CHOSE not to.
Desire is a big factor in a fighter and if it is lacking it is lacking which clearly in his case it was.He liked one way traffic and the bottom line was he knew in order to step up and fight the best things were going to get tough so he CHOSE to opt out. Those are not the characteristics of true champions.
Had he fought several top fighters in their prime and no just quit after losing to one you could say it was an off night. But the fact he CHOSE to call it a day says a lot about his real character. He had the physical gifts to be great but his ego was so big he CHOSE to bail out of the big challenges to keep his myth in tact. Unlike someone like Froch he was not prepared to lay everything on the line,like I said he liked one way traffic.

It's obvious you have an agenda against Hamed which must be the reason why you are pulling out pure lies to fuel your hatred for him.

This one is a particular favourite of mine. ''he CHOSE to bail out of the big challenges''

That is absolute bs. It was well known at the time Hamed was trying very hard to get a big fight with MAB, JMM or Morales a few fights before the actual fight with MAB happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcD-WVZpyQ

To accuse Hamed of ducking is an absolute and obvious lie which you would be able to see if it weren't for you being blinded by your hatred for the guy.

Also it's funny you mention Froch. Ask Froch who his all time Boxing hero is. Yeah, you guessed it, that mythical untrue champion who went by the name of Prince Naseem Hamed.

[Prince Mongo]

Other than you obviously hating Hamed, I don't see what your dispute is. I said he lost his desire to fight, so how is that a lame excuse? It seems like you were just looking for an excuse to rip him again. Whether your back story is true or not, he was a better fighter under Ingle.

It's obvious you have an agenda against Hamed which must be the reason why you are pulling out pure lies to fuel your hatred for him.

This one is a particular favourite of mine. ''he CHOSE to bail out of the big challenges''

That is absolute bs. It was well known at the time Hamed was trying very hard to get a big fight with MAB, JMM or Morales a few fights before the actual fight with MAB happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcD-WVZpyQ

To accuse Hamed of ducking is an absolute and obvious lie which you would be able to see if it weren't for you being blinded by your hatred for the guy.

Also it's funny you mention Froch. Ask Froch who his all time Boxing hero is. Yeah, you guessed it, that mythical untrue champion who went by the name of Prince Naseem Hamed.

Because you don't like what I have written DOES NOT mean I hate him.I am just calling it as I see it. I wanted to see the Barrera rematch,it did not happen.There was a huge demand for that fight but he CHOSE not to go through with it.
Despite you thinking I hate the guy I was actually a fan of his. He was hugely talented and had the talent to be an all time great. He was better under Ingle and needed to go back to him/Graham and could have made a real crack at the other top guys but he CHOSE not to.
A lot of the cherry picking was down to Frank Warren in the early part of his career who had a policy of setting him up with easy fights and going for the low hanging fruit but when he broke free from him he did step up and ended up fighting Barrera. For that he deserved a lot of credit,had he won that fight I am certain he would have fought Morales or JMM. But the bottom line is after the Barrera beating who was his only top draw opponent in his prime he called it day. Had he not fought Barrera I am sure he would have fought either Morales or JMM if they would have gone in the ring with him but had he lost to them we would have seen the same result with him calling it a day.Like I said he liked one way traffic.
Like it or not there was no Barrera rematch,the public had a huge demand for it and would have paid for fights with Morales and JMM. They did not happen and at that point in his career were there for the taking. So I don't think it is unreasonable to say he bailed out of the big challenges. I will put a caveat in there that Hamed while on his winning streak would have fought any of them but after his loss bailed out.

[Scott9945]

Like I said he liked one way traffic.
Like it or not there was no Barrera rematch,the public had a huge demand for it and would have paid for fights with Morales and JMM. They did not happen and at that point in his career were there for the taking. So I don't think it is unreasonable to say he bailed out of the big challenges. I will put a caveat in there that Hamed while on his winning streak would have fought any of them but after his loss bailed out.

The Barrera fight (despite the deceptive scores) was a convincing loss. There was no huge demand for a rematch. No doubt that he could have had Morales and Marquez fights if he pursued them. But the loss deflated him and when he fought Calvo he realized that his time had passed and he no longer had the dedication needed to fight at the top level. He was already a multi-millionaire and anyone who can afford to retire has a right to. Does this effect his boxing legacy? Of course. But I never begrudge a fighter for getting out before they tumble down from champion to trial horse. Boxing is a brutal business and if you can't dedicate yourself 100% you shouldn't be in it. Hamed may be a fat slob now, but at least he isn't punchy. He doesn't owe fight fans anything.

[Daddy T]

he looks real good blitzes the bums probably gets an alphabet title before getting handled with ease by somebody like marquez or sparked by pacman.
I do think he did himself an injustice against barerra though even by the mcullagh fight it was clear he was on the slide and was losing his desire