Top ten ATG P4P (of all time)

[M Bison]

I think I just witnessed the most mind numbingly ****** top ten P4P list of all time... Complimentary of 'Jose Espinoza'
Right I'll list them for you, some are obviously acceptable but there's alot of ****** ass decisions in this ALOT!!

10 - Oscar De La Hoya.... YES REALLY!!
9 - Sugar Ray Leonard
8 - Jack Dempsey
7 - Jack Johnson
6 - Jim Braddock -Honestly he rated him above Jack Johnson
5 - Joe Louis - Wonder who he would have ahead of Joe Louis...
4 - Rocky Marciano....
3 - Roberto Duran.... This is just going completely full ******!
2 - Muhammad Ali
1 - Sugar Ray Robinson

And here is the link to this site

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/sports/t...ighters_1.html

I'm not a boxing expert but I know for a fact that list is absolute BS regardless of how they decided to come up with that, some of it is acceptable but a large majority of its not.

[Scott9945]

I think I just witnessed the most mind numbingly ****** top ten P4P list of all time... Complimentary of 'Jose Espinoza'
Right I'll list them for you, some are obviously acceptable but there's alot of ****** ass decisions in this ALOT!!

10 - Oscar De La Hoya.... YES REALLY!!
9 - Sugar Ray Leonard
8 - Jack Dempsey
7 - Jack Johnson
6 - Jim Braddock -Honestly he rated him above Jack Johnson
5 - Joe Louis - Wonder who he would have ahead of Joe Louis...
4 - Rocky Marciano....
3 - Roberto Duran.... This is just going completely full ******!
2 - Muhammad Ali
1 - Sugar Ray Robinson

And here is the link to this site

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/sports/t...ighters_1.html

I'm not a boxing expert but I know for a fact that list is absolute BS regardless of how they decided to come up with that, some of it is acceptable but a large majority of its not.

Normally I wouldn't comment on a list this ******, but I had to see the reasoning for choosing Braddock. According to the "expert", Braddock fought mostly opponents weighing 220 lbs. A quick look at boxrec indicates that he never fought anyone 220 or over, and only fought a few fighters weighing over 200 in his entire career. I'm not expecting everyone to watch hours of films, but a little basic research would be nice.

[Barn]

that is honestly one of the single worst lists i have ever seen.

jack dempsey and jack johnson and rocky marciano top 10 P4P

jim braddock in the top 100

oscar de la lose most of his big fights in the top 10

I'll let Joe Louis slip, even though I don't believe he is even Top 20 it depends how much you value consistency and dominance in a weaker era and some people give it a lot more weight than me.

Duran, Ray Leonard, Ali and SRR don't bother me too much. All except SRR are probably a bit too high in my opinion although but it's not totally mental.

[Barn]

Lmao......

pound-for-pound matchup: Manny pacquiao
at his prime, robinson was more elusive and powerful than manny pacquiao. Both fighters were quick and deadly accurate. This would be a boxing promoter’s dream fight: you would have two of the best welterweight fighters of all time, offensively minded and tremendously resilient.

[SBleeder]

It's awful, but I've actually seen worse. The following list is from BleacherReport.com, which holds itself out as a reputable sports site:

10. Naseem Hamed (No, this is not a typo, nor is it a joke.)
9. Larry Holmes (Great heavyweight, but not top 10 P4P material)
8. Julio Cesar Chavez (Ditto.)
7. Lennox Lewis (LOL)
6. George Foreman (Apparently the concept of P4P escapes the writer)
5. Rocky Marciano (blah blah undefeated blah blah)
4. Manny Pacquiao (No commentary necessary)
3. Sugar Ray Robinson (Glad they could find room to include him)
2. Muhammad Ali (teh greatest)
1. Jack Johnson (Black greatest)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...rs-of-all-time


Now, the above list wouldn't have been the absolute worst I've ever seen if it didn't include... NASEEM HAMED.

[cleming]

Damn it, the guy obviously knows nothing, it's sad: "Kevin Kelly, a former world champion who had only been beaten one time in his career, was stopped by Prince in the eighth round by way of knockout."

[Capaedia]

It's awful, but I've actually seen worse. The following list is from BleacherReport.com, which holds itself out as a reputable sports site:

10. Naseem Hamed (No, this is not a typo, nor is it a joke.)
9. Larry Holmes (Great heavyweight, but not top 10 P4P material)
8. Julio Cesar Chavez (Ditto.)
7. Lennox Lewis (LOL)
6. George Foreman (Apparently the concept of P4P escapes the writer)
5. Rocky Marciano (blah blah undefeated blah blah)
4. Manny Pacquiao (No commentary necessary)
3. Sugar Ray Robinson (Glad they could find room to include him)
2. Muhammad Ali (teh greatest)
1. Jack Johnson (Black greatest)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...rs-of-all-time


Now, the above list wouldn't have been the absolute worst I've ever seen if it didn't include... NASEEM HAMED.

I've seen lists starting with Maricano at number 1. Really at least Espinoza got the first one right.

[Bolo Punch]

I think I just witnessed the most mind numbingly ****** top ten P4P list of all time... Complimentary of 'Jose Espinoza'
Right I'll list them for you, some are obviously acceptable but there's alot of ****** ass decisions in this ALOT!!

10 - Oscar De La Hoya.... YES REALLY!!
9 - Sugar Ray Leonard
8 - Jack Dempsey
7 - Jack Johnson
6 - Jim Braddock -Honestly he rated him above Jack Johnson
5 - Joe Louis - Wonder who he would have ahead of Joe Louis...
4 - Rocky Marciano....
3 - Roberto Duran.... This is just going completely full ******!
2 - Muhammad Ali
1 - Sugar Ray Robinson

And here is the link to this site

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/sports/t...ighters_1.html

I'm not a boxing expert but I know for a fact that list is absolute BS regardless of how they decided to come up with that, some of it is acceptable but a large majority of its not.

I'm intrigued as to why you think Duran at #3 is going "full ******". It's maybe a slight touch too high, but he's a top 10 P4P ATG.

[Ray Corso]

I can't stand the way ATG & p4p is treated on this forum! Its a joke how many fighters currently active are considered Great!! The fans are the worst to because they don't know how to evaluate because you need to be "taught" how techniques are supposed to be executed you can't learn this stuff "drunk watching on TV" never mind most here don't get it so its no big deal!

Theres ONE p4p /ATG his name is "Sugar" Ray Robinson! Who cares whose second or third or nineth? Doc.

[Bolo Punch]

What's wrong with recent fighters being classed as ATGs? Just because someone's film isn't in black and white doesn't mean they can't be great.