How would dempsey do against todays Heavyweights?

[DreamFighter]

Jack would need one look at most of these guys to figure out all he needs do is outgass them.

[McNulty]

Don't think hes got a chance with Wlad but could he do guys in like fury, haye, charr, Wilder and others. Or even old Vitali? Or is he simply too small and would be outboxed?

Are you fùcking ******?

He weighed 188 most of his career. Cracked 200 maybe once. Weighed 194 at the very end of his career.

What I'm saying is even a C-level heavyweight would smash Dempsey.

[GhostofDempsey]

Dempsey had underrated defense. Despite what his trolling detractors will say, he did not load his gloves, that was a myth already dispelled and one that was started by his former manager who he had fired for ripping him off.

Anyway, Dempsey wasn't just some flat-footed brawler with a big right hand. He was cagey and hard to hit clean. Very strong, and had excellent movement.

Notice the similarities in Dempsey's ducking, footwork, bobbing and weaving to Whitaker.

[Joe Beamish]

I would think Dempsey was smallish to be a top 10 all-time heavyweight, but the accolades for him from within the boxing world are pretty attention-getting, including from guys like Ray Arcel:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxin...seyFeature.htm

[mickey malone]

He wouldn't.... And would be crushed like an insect
Still destroy the toe breaker though.. And smash the bull**** right out of him

[Dempsey-Louis]

Measure Dempsey (187) against today's cruiserweights and the greatness quickly returns. If he fought today he would be considerably larger than 187; this makes comparing heavyweights over time difficult. Holyfield went from 177 to 215 (with help) - it is difficult to assess just how large Dempsey would be today.

Also a previous comment regarding styles, then and now, is a correct argument, but again how do we compare . . .

Dempsey as a contemporary fighter would have an updated style, or a contemporary fighter forced back to 1922 wouldn't have the skills he has today.

[The Old LefHook]

A contemporary fighter forced back to 1922 has any set of skills we choose to invest him with, lads.

What are we interested in seeing, in knowing? We want to see how old does against new. We barely care how Dempsey does with a brand new set of skills, attitudes and philosophies in his pockets. That would be Dempsey who was born in 1990, or thereabouts. I am not interested. I want to know how the Dempsey that lived through the hard times of the early 20th century would do against today's galoots. In other words, the real Dempsey. It's that simple. So I will put that Dempsey against them, not some Dempsey who finished college, sends text messages and is working on an internet startup company.

Any modern heavyweights would have a dreadful time hitting Jack with a solid shot. The thing about those defensive rolls he does is they are fraught with offensive threat as well defensive evasiveness, they are very dangerous moves which allow him to come up underneath the opponent from the outside as the footwork gets him inside surprisingly quickly.

[Bundana]

What are we interested in seeing, in knowing? We want to see how old does against new. We barely care how Dempsey does with a brand new set of skills, attitudes and philosophies in his pockets. That would be Dempsey who was born in 1990, or thereabouts. I am not interested. I want to know how the Dempsey that lived through the hard times of the early 20th century would do against today's galoots. In other words, the real Dempsey. It's that simple. So I will put that Dempsey against them, not some Dempsey who finished college, sends text messages and is working on an internet startup company.

Exactly!

What is the point of comparing old vs new, if we're pretending that the old-timers were born 100 years later, or today's boxers 100 years earlier? It doesn't make any sense.

[Dempsey-Louis]

A contemporary fighter forced back to 1922 has any set of skills we choose to invest him with, lads.

Of course you can but then you would be wrong; there is speculation and argument fostered by consistent and inherent logic and then there is just making **** up.

Just ***** with you - it is all just personal rules of thought. But just so we are clear my rules are better . . .

and don't call me 'lad' I'm 63 years old.

I agree Dempsey's footwork was better than most realize. During his day his contemporaries use to tease him for having an effeminate walk (much like John Wayne) - he walked slightly up on his toes with a bounce.

[ShoulderRoll]

I think if prime Dempsey was magically transported to the present era he would do just fine. He had real skills, head movement, two fisted punching power, conditioning to go 15 rounds, you name it.

Anthony Joshua with his big muscles was sluggish in his last fight with the small Takam. Deontay Wilder throws wide, amateurish hooks...there is nothing in the current heavyweight scene that looks invincible to me.