Where Does Mike Tyson Rank As An ATG?

[jabsRstiff]

Tony Tucker was not a puncher, period. Stop that nonsense.

[jabsRstiff]

He was done long before the McBride fight.

Also name 15 heavyweights better than Mike Tyson.

As for Tyson vs. Holyfield it has been explained dozens of times, to the point of ad nauseum. Holyfield headbutted and drugged himself to a victory. Its one of the most tainted "wins" in the history of the sport.

The only time Tyson was even visibly hurt was from those headbutts.

Holyfield is a cheater.

Tyson got manhandled by a past-his-best Cruiserweight.

****in' kills you to know that, doesn't it?

[StarshipTrooper]

Oh Gawd

[FightersRep]

lol. Tyson ranks up there no doubt.

[BennyST]

Well, despite what you think of him outside, or inside for that matter, he is a top 10-15ish HW, give or take. Surely that makes him an ATG? Maybe not of the highest pound for pound levels, ala Robinson, Charles, Armstrong, Ali, Leonard, Duran, etc, but he is an ATG heavyweight, which should make him an ATG regardless.

As to quitting, well, lots of great fighters have quit. Whether mentally, physically, in the middle of a fight, early, at the start, just surviving, it's happened to a lot of great fighters. It's a silly thing to bring up to use as a point that a fighter cannot be great based on that.

Tysonbomb: you need to just have a deep breath, maybe go for a run or pull one off, preferably not over Tsyon, and calm down. You sound insane.

[likeamulekick]

Well, despite what you think of him outside, or inside for that matter, he is a top 10-15ish HW, give or take. Surely that makes him an ATG? Maybe not of the highest pound for pound levels, ala Robinson, Charles, Armstrong, Ali, Leonard, Duran, etc, but he is an ATG heavyweight, which should make him an ATG regardless.

As to quitting, well, lots of great fighters have quit. Whether mentally, physically, in the middle of a fight, early, at the start, just surviving, it's happened to a lot of great fighters. It's a silly thing to bring up to use as a point that a fighter cannot be great based on that.

Tysonbomb: you need to just have a deep breath, maybe go for a run or pull one off, preferably not over Tsyon, and calm down. You sound insane.

tysons put many to sleep and hes put me to sleep most nights. Nothing wrong with that

[StarshipTrooper]

tysons put many to sleep and hes put me to sleep most nights. Nothing wrong with that

tmi tmi tmi

[StarshipTrooper]

or pull one off, preferably not over Tyson, and calm down.

That is SUCH a disturbing image

Poet

[TysonBomb]

Tucker packed a punch and definitely had power.

There is still not a single case to be made against Tyson being the best ever combination of speed, power, durability, and skill during his peak years. No heavyweight ever had that kind of blend of attributes. Go down the list of ATG heavyweights and you'll see that its an irrefutable fact.

M. Ali - Great speed, durability and skill but he was not that powerful.
J. Louis - Good power and skill, but his durability was below average and he wasn't that fast.
R. Marciano - Power and durability, didn't possess much speed or exhibit that much skill.
G. Foreman - Just Power and durability, lacked speed and skill.
J. Frazier - Decent skill and decent power. Nothing special in all 4 categories, however.
L. Lewis - Had power but it was somewhat overrated. Very skilled and had OK speed. Couldn't take a punch however.
L. Holmes - See Ali.
S. Liston - Power and skill ... questionable durability after the Ali fights but I'd say it was above average.
E. Holyfield - Skill, speed, and durability. Wasn't that powerful. Much of what he had was enhanced from whatever he was taking.
J. Dempsey - Probably the closest to being the best combination of those 4 attributes for his time period, but he wouldn't even be a heavyweight today.

[BennyST]

tysons put many to sleep and hes put me to sleep most nights. Nothing wrong with that

Yeah, I've never actually enjoyed watching Tyson at all. One of the few I guess.

That is SUCH a disturbing image

Poet

Tucker packed a punch and definitely had power.

There is still not a single case to be made against Tyson being the best ever combination of speed, power, durability, and skill during his peak years. No heavyweight ever had that kind of blend of attributes. Go down the list of ATG heavyweights and you'll see that its an irrefutable fact.

M. Ali - Great speed, durability and skill but he was not that powerful.
J. Louis - Good power and skill, but his durability was below average and he wasn't that fast.
R. Marciano - Power and durability, didn't possess much speed or exhibit that much skill.
G. Foreman - Just Power and durability, lacked speed and skill.
J. Frazier - Decent skill and decent power. Nothing special in all 4 categories, however.
L. Lewis - Had power but it was somewhat overrated. Very skilled and had OK speed. Couldn't take a punch however.
L. Holmes - See Ali.
S. Liston - Power and skill ... questionable durability after the Ali fights but I'd say it was above average.
E. Holyfield - Skill, speed, and durability. Wasn't that powerful. Much of what he had was enhanced from whatever he was taking.
J. Dempsey - Probably the closest to being the best combination of those 4 attributes for his time period, but he wouldn't even be a heavyweight today.

You need a new schtick mate. One simple fact: If what you say is true, Douglas could not have beaten him. Simple. He was in his prime, and if he was the single greatest combination of power, speed, durability and skills ever seen in the ring, he would have annihilated Douglas.