what's up with this hatred of fighters?

[supaduck]

The only problem I have is with posters who hate on Ali. They post such ridiculous things as "Ali was a loudmouthed draft dodger who was too afraid to go to war!"

[butterfly1964]

One instance?

Well, there was that one time when you complimented that idiot up in NSB for coming up with the 'Rocky Sloppiano' name ("nice nickname. good karma for you").

There's also the numerous times you've incorrectly stated that Marciano was afraid of Floyd Patterson, which I believe you stated was an opinion based only on watching a show from someone who you recently referred to as a "******" (although Sugar isn't that bad, he doesn't have a very good reputation amongst boxing historians. He's always been more of a writer than historian and boxing isn't even his favourite sport...baseball is, and boxing is even behind pro wrestling in terms of his own perosnal interests).

Those are a couple of instances that I can recall off-hand, but I'm sure I could find more if I looked back through your posts.

i complimented mike tyson jr. cause i thought it was funny, that doesn't prove that i hate on marciano. and based on what sugar said it seems that marciano wanted to fight ingemmar johannson but not patterson. that is the way it appears to me.

all this doesn't prove that i hate on marciano. i do believe he's overrated, but i don't think he was a complete bum. if someone thinking a fighter is overrated means that he/she hates on him, then probably everyone on this forum hates on at least one fighter.

[butterfly1964]

The only problem I have is with posters who hate on Ali. They post such ridiculous things as "Ali was a loudmouthed draft dodger who was too afraid to go to war!"

yeah, especially when he knew he wasn't going to actually do combat. if anything, one would be scared into going under those circumstances since they would be facing jail time if they didn't.

[supaduck]

Yeah, so their argument is immediately pointless. They just want to find a way to make Ali look bad, because they can't accept that he's the greatest heavyweight (and possibly boxer).

[butterfly1964]

Yeah, so their argument is immediately pointless. They just want to find a way to make Ali look bad, because they can't accept that he's the greatest heavyweight (and possibly boxer).

have a 1/4mil. points on me, and some good k too!

[Yogi]

i complimented mike tyson jr. cause i thought it was funny, that doesn't prove that i hate on marciano. and based on what sugar said it seems that marciano wanted to fight ingemmar johannson but not patterson. that is the way it appears to me.

all this doesn't prove that i hate on marciano. i do believe he's overrated, but i don't think he was a complete bum. if someone thinking a fighter is overrated means that he/she hates on him, then probably everyone on this forum hates on at least one fighter.

Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on Marciano then and take back what I said earlier in the thread, although I do wish you'd look into the whole Marciano/Johansson thing a little bit more and quit with the assumptions. If you were to do so, you should find out that Marciano didn't think much of Johansson as a person and he wasn't the only one of the two who wanted the fight. Marciano did not like Johansson, who was the total opposite of what Rocky was...Ingemar had a very ****y & arrogant attitude and was totally lackadaisical in training ("Johansson led a playboy existence even when training for major fights, and it was the norm for him to go nightclubbing & dancing into the early hours during the build-ups for title fights."). Johansson was the total opposite of what Marciano, as Rocky was the relatively quiet & humble type, whose dedication and the amount of time put into training for his fights was about as much as any fighter in history, if not more-so. You had Marciano's dislike for Johansson, the fact that both wanted it (Johannson tried to get out of the rematch clause with Patterson), and also the patriotic part of it...Marciano wanted to bring the title home to the USA.

Take that all in, Buuterfly, and then look at the Marciano/Patterson situation...Patterson's manager, Cus D'Amato didn't want any part of any fighter who was associated with the IBC (and he made it very clear long before 1959), which Marciano was very closely associated with them, so there's that part of the whole situation. There's also plenty of quotes from Marciano in describing Patterson, and he speaks very highly of Floyd as a person...Unlike what he felt about Ingemar Johansson, he actually liked Floyd Patterson and thought he was quite the "class" individual.

Anyways, I'm babbling here, so I'll shorten this up and allow you to look this stuff & other particulars up for yourself. But just remember, just because a fighter doesn't have so-and-so on his record/resume doesn't mean he was "scared" or "afraid" of said fighter, and you shouldn't just assume those things right away. If you look into things a little more you'll be sure to find some reason(s) why a particular fight didn't take place, or in this case, one that was talked about instead of another...Yes, sometimes a fighter wants to fight someone for the simple fact that he didn't like him and his ways.

[butterfly1964]

Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on Marciano then and take back what I said earlier in the thread, although I do wish you'd look into the whole Marciano/Johansson thing a little bit more and quit with the assumptions. If you were to do so, you should find out that Marciano didn't think much of Johansson as a person and he wasn't the only one of the two who wanted the fight. Marciano did not like Johansson, who was the total opposite of what Rocky was...Ingemar had a very ****y & arrogant attitude and was totally lackadaisical in training ("Johansson led a playboy existence even when training for major fights, and it was the norm for him to go nightclubbing & dancing into the early hours during the build-ups for title fights."). Johansson was the total opposite of what Marciano, as Rocky was the relatively quiet & humble type, whose dedication and the amount of time put into training for his fights was about as much as any fighter in history, if not more-so. You had Marciano's dislike for Johansson, the fact that both wanted it (Johannson tried to get out of the rematch clause with Patterson), and also the patriotic part of it...Marciano wanted to bring the title home to the USA.

Take that all in, Buuterfly, and then look at the Marciano/Patterson situation...Patterson's manager, Cus D'Amato didn't want any part of any fighter who was associated with the IBC (and he made it very clear long before 1959), which Marciano was very closely associated with them, so there's that part of the whole situation. There's also plenty of quotes from Marciano in describing Patterson, and he speaks very highly of Floyd as a person...Unlike what he felt about Ingemar Johansson, he actually liked Floyd Patterson and thought he was quite the "class" individual.

Anyways, I'm babbling here, so I'll shorten this up and allow you to look this stuff & other particulars up for yourself. But just remember, just because a fighter doesn't have so-and-so on his record/resume doesn't mean he was "scared" or "afraid" of said fighter, and you shouldn't just assume those things right away. If you look into things a little more you'll be sure to find some reason(s) why a particular fight didn't take place, or in this case, one that was talked about instead of another...Yes, sometimes a fighter wants to fight someone for the simple fact that he didn't like him and his ways.

alright, well maybe your right.

[Yogi]

alright, well maybe your right.

Ah, so does this mean I can stop bringing up the MUCH more concrete Ali/Bobick situation nearly every time you say Marciano was afraid of Patterson?

[butterfly1964]

Ah, so does this mean I can stop bringing up the MUCH more concrete Ali/Bobick situation nearly every time you say Marciano was afraid of Patterson?

what concrete situation? explain that please?

[Yogi]

what concrete situation? explain that please?

I touched on it on page eight of the "Rocky Sloppiano" thread that the idiot started up in NSB a few days ago (that thread's on the second page, I believe), and as I stated in that post up there, you can find the info on that whole Ali/Bobick situation in Teddy Brenners' book "Only The Ring Was Square".