Marvin Hagler vs. Ray Leonard

[The Noose]

Ive always seen Leonard as the clear victor.

Most people think it was close.



I ***in love Hagler, but Leonard was smart, and Hagler was slow and predictable.

[moondog0]

I remember seeing that fight on pap per view I was a great Hagler supporter and thought if you looked at it scientificly Hagler may have won, Leonard was the crowd favorite and stole rounds in the last ten seconds. Leonard could never knock out Hagler in a million years, but Hagler agreed to the bigger ring and was overtrained for the fight, his punches were dull and slow, another fight wuld have been great...

[Ronny Mexico]

I'm a huge Leonard fan and thought Ray won a close fight, but to me the bottom line (unfortunately) is that it wasn't a "prime" fight for either guy. I guess I don't even see it as either fighter being reasonably close to prime. Hagler was sluggish and lethargic. To me, he got old vs. Mugabi. And obviously Ray wasn't the same fighter he had been prior to the layoff. Of course, a prime Ray isn't fighting at this weight either, but you get my point.

[Marvelous63]

Ive always seen Leonard as the clear victor.

Most people think it was close.



I ***in love Hagler, but Leonard was smart, and Hagler was slow and predictable.

I believe it was very close, and that we didnt see the brawling hagler that people were so accustomed to seeing. It was thought marvin was trying to outbox ray, and once he realized he couldnt do that, it was too late. (according to the judges)

[fabulous]

I believe it was very close, and that we didnt see the brawling hagler that people were so accustomed to seeing. It was thought marvin was trying to outbox ray, and once he realized he couldnt do that, it was too late. (according to the judges)

People take Hearns fight and say Hagler chosed wrong strategy. Truth is that Hagler never fought like he did against Hearns, before or after. He started similiarly against Duran and in many other fights. He just wasn't particularly quick making adjustment. Not against Duran, not against Leonard. He fought e in orthodox stance in many fights and switched often. He didn't fight much differently against leonard than usual.

After not successful start hagler made some changes but i think main thing what made difference after sixth round was Leonard getting tired. No wonder, he had only 1 fight in 5 years.
Because of it Hagler was able to catch Leonard more often and fight became close.

[moondog0]

I saw that fight live on pay-per-view, Hagler coudn't catch Leonard. He couldn't hurt him either, if the fight could have gone on another two or three rounds Hagler would have got him, but he appeared to overtrain before this fight, (Leonard was very fast...)

[sleazyfellow]

yeah if i was part of marvins camp i wouldnt of agreed to the 20x20 ring or the 12 rounds, but i guess he couldnt resist the good payday, but yeah 15 rounds and hagler would of caught him eventually

[ricecrispi]

General consensus was Hagler would knock Leonards head off. That didn't happen and Leonard made Hagler chase him ineffectively. Leonard won a close and clever fight. Leonard didn't beat Hagler but did enough boxing and some showboutin to win the fight on judges score cards.

Hagler didn't overtrain. Hagler always started slow to get his range because he's a counter puncher and lost several close decisions because of it. Hagler was never a knockout artist or an aggressive or smoothering type fighter. People get the wrong impression of Hagler from old Hearns fight.

[sugar J]

hagler gave away early rounds.........also he chased leonard and wasted valuable time during rounds. leonard also got inside the judges heads. smart on his and dundee's part to have such sway over the judges i.e. the "leonard mystique" i think it was called. can't fault him for that. i rooted for hagler but he lost a close fight. he also conceded to leonards demands during negotiations. can't fault leonard for that either. i was unhappy at the end of this fight but that's boxing.

[Slicksouthpaw]

I have never seen this fight. I would like to see the punchstat numbers too.


By the way, how do people figure Hagler was Overtrained?