whos style is more entertaining to watch tyson or ali.

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I think Ali has a more exciting style. People went to see Ali for two reasons, they either Hated him or loved him, no inbetween. He was arrogant yet likable, concieted yet talented, took punches but dished out more. He provided more exciting fights that were better quality. Tyson fought many bums, that only lasted 1-5 rounds. As a matter of fact his average rounds in the ring on his 32nd fight was like 2 rounds or something like that. Ali was unpredictable.

if u wanna watch some1 dance around the ring why dont u look at a ballet.

[butterfly1964]

But he was hit when he used that style in his prime; several times. Clay was hit by Jones in 1963 when he was the #1 contender and in great shape. Ali staggered from a landed punch that Jones delivered in the first round, and anybody who fought Jones said that he hit like a lightweight. Doug Jones was good at closing the gap, and because of that, he gave Ali trouble in that fight. You know who was better at closing the gap than Jones? Tyson. Mike Tyson was arguably the best at closing the gap in the sport's history. In Ali's fights in the 60's, he got hit and even went down in multiple fights. While he did go on to win those fights, they were fights against opponents who weren't great finishers. You know who was a great finisher? Tyson. When a fighter was hurt, Tyson was automatic. Put Tyson in Jones's situation where he would have caught Ali staggering from an off-guard punch--which, if Jones could do it, Tyson could have done it in his sleep--Ali would have hit the mat and stayed there until after the count of 10. This argument is not refutable by a statement like, "If it wasn't for fighters A, B, and C, Jones would have been the best ever! That's why he gave Ali trouble!" While Ali was tough to take down sometimes, this wasn't the case when he was caught by a clean shot. Landing a clean shot was the difficult part, but it was clearly not impossible as many fighters proved.

Ali's chin was NOT perfect, his style was NOT perfect, he was NOT Superman, he was NOT impossible to hit, his speed was NOT too much for every fighter in every situation, and while he was fast, there were people who weren't even very good that could and did combat his speed. Keep in mind, I believe that Ali was the greatest heavyweight of all-time. REPEAT: ALI WAS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL-TIME. It is rediculous, however, to assume that he was perfect in every aspect of the sport.

In terms of raw excitement, I would say that more people would concede that Tyson was far more exciting to watch than Ali. That doesn't mean that he was better, he was just more explosive and "edge-of-your-seat" than Ali. Muhammad's style was fluid, even poetic, but it often rendered 'boo's' from the crowd when he'd spend an entire round dancing and not punching. People want punching to define excitement, not jawing and mocking. Ali himself was a charismatic character, but that didn't matter nearly as much to the fans as someone who could tear people's heads off like Tyson did. Check the ratings of their respective fights; Tyson wins by an ocean.

Before I close, I just wanted to state that I believe Muhammad Ali was a surperior fighter to Mike Tyson. He was definitely a greater champion, but it is absolutely juvenile to say things like, "He was so fast, nobody could touch him..." when he clearly got "touched" and even knocked down during his physical prime. Often times it was by fighters who weren't strong or powerful, they just knew how to close the gap. All of the speed in the world doesn't mean anything if a decent fighter knows how to close the gap. Yes, Ali was a master of creating disadvantages for his opponents, but he wasn't invincible. He was just a man like every one of his opponents. Sometimes his opponents were capable of proving that Ali was no more than a man. A man with an incredible set of gifts, but a man nonetheless.

I normally agree with you Butterfly, but you really stretched to make this case.

cute post brassangel, but ali was never floored in his physical prime, and they were flash knockdowns. and the only reason why jones made it close was because clay fought jones's fight, clay didn't fight clay's fight. it's clear that clay fought sonny liston differently than he fought jones. if clay fought liston the same way he fought jones, he would be ko'd in the first round! clay was just avoiding liston's punches and countering, and when liston was vulnerable he threw rapid fire combinations. when he fought jones, he didn't think much of him, "i'm not concerned with doug jones, it's sonny liston i'm after, i'm not worried about that bum doug jones, i'm only concerned with that big ugly bear liston!" clay just tried to take him out, by fighting in close from the first bell, and it backfired! also clay was the number two contender, not number one, floyd patterson was number one. and i never said ali was perfect, i'm just saying that in his prime he was so fast that it didn't matter.

[butterfly1964]

if u wanna watch some1 dance around the ring why dont u look at a ballet.

hahahaha, funny. let me ask you a question. how many people have been successful copying tyson's style? quite a few, i mean tyson was freakishly strong, so he hit harder but that's it. but how many people have been successful copying ali's style? answer? NONE! why? because ali had natural speed nobody else has! so you can't fight like ali and not get hit unless you are extremely fast. so ali's style is one of a kind, so it is better, ahahahahahaha!!

[Verstyle]

hahahaha, funny. let me ask you a question. how many people have been successful copying tyson's style? quite a few, i mean tyson was freakishly strong, so he hit harder but that's it. but how many people have been successful copying ali's style? answer? NONE! why? because ali had natural speed nobody else has! so you can't fight like ali and not get hit unless you are extremely fast. so ali's style is one of a kind, so it is better, ahahahahahaha!!

name 2 ppl that have been successful with tyson's style and i'll leave the forum for the nite.and thats after tyson not before

[Pugnacious_Z]

every1 knows tysons style is one of the hardest styles to mimick. your constantly moving your body to avoid punches and counter which makes u very very tired if you ever tried it. Ali's style is alot easier, and every1 can go back to a punch, dats the easiest way to do it. an average persons normal reaction to defending a punch is goin backwards. no one naturally moves side to side and bobs and weaves, no one. Tyson style is the most exciting, he cums in aggresively and puts pressure on you very effecitively.
i think it depends on the person, butterly, u said the first time you saw ali and tyson, u liked to fight like ali. the first time i saw all fighters i liked tyson, liston and foreman. as u can see all power punchers. i dont know wat type of person you are but im more into strength, dats prob why i like those guys and their styles.

[butterfly1964]

every1 knows tysons style is one of the hardest styles to mimick. your constantly moving your body to avoid punches and counter which makes u very very tired if you ever tried it. Ali's style is alot easier, and every1 can go back to a punch, dats the easiest way to do it. an average persons normal reaction to defending a punch is goin backwards. no one naturally moves side to side and bobs and weaves, no one. Tyson style is the most exciting, he cums in aggresively and puts pressure on you very effecitively.
i think it depends on the person, butterly, u said the first time you saw ali and tyson, u liked to fight like ali. the first time i saw all fighters i liked tyson, liston and foreman. as u can see all power punchers. i dont know wat type of person you are but im more into strength, dats prob why i like those guys and their styles.

i don't think so. ali is dancing constantly dancing and moving in and out popping jabs and hooks. tyson only moves when someone throws a punch at him. ali moves period. even when ali is flatfooted, he is still moving fast, just not as fast as when he dances, just watch the patterson fight. he is flatfooted alot in that fight, and he moves his back foot to the left and his front foot forward constantly to corner patterson to hit him with hard fast jabs.

[Verstyle]

i don't think so. ali is dancing constantly dancing and moving in and out popping jabs and hooks. tyson only moves when someone throws a punch at him. ali moves period. even when ali is flatfooted, he is still moving fast, just not as fast as when he dances, just watch the patterson fight. he is flatfooted alot in that fight, and he moves his back foot to the left and his front foot forward constantly to corner patterson to hit him with hard fast jabs.

WRONG!!!! once again look at the mitch green fight. get this k.http://www.tysontalk.com/esolution_goods-61.html there now u can see why i recommended this fight 2 in this forum.

[butterfly1964]

WRONG!!!! once again look at the mitch green fight. get this k.http://www.tysontalk.com/esolution_goods-61.html there now u can see why i recommended this fight 2 in this forum.

but ali moved way more than tyson did.

[Pugnacious_Z]

bobing and weaving fast and slippin punches is alot more tiring then moving ur feet

[Verstyle]

but ali moved way more than tyson did.

watch the fight.