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Top 10 P4P hardest hitters?
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Originally posted by TBear View PostI can contest Valero's addition to the list for the same reason we don't see Jamie Garza and Tyrone Brunson on the list.
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Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostWhich one of those guys were undefeated 2 division champions?
My point was that Garza and Brunson were great punchers against who they were fighting but no one compares them to Carlos Zarate or Ruben Olivares for that same reason.
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Originally posted by Scott9945 View PostGarza is a valid comparison. He looked like he was going to be a legend for awhile. He won a title and could really hit. Brunson was exposed as a fraud though long before he was any type of contender.Last edited by TBear; 10-06-2012, 05:05 AM.
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roberto duran
thomas hearns
wilfredo gomez
george foreman
rocky marcanio
earnie shavers
joe louis
jimmy wild
archie moore
ray robinson
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Originally posted by TBear View PostAgree about Brunson, but I was questioning the level of opposition of Valerio with my statement. A level that I you might agree should be valuable in assessing all time lists.
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no order:
edwin valero
jack dempsey
sam langford
stan ketchel
bob fitzsimmons
sonny liston
george foreman
ricardo lopez
pipino cuevas
julian jackson
mike tyson
joe louis
rocky marciano
roberto duran
tommy hearns
bob foster
earnie shavers
more than 10, and there's a few missed no doubt.
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Originally posted by TBear View PostAgree about Brunson, but I was questioning the level of opposition of Valerio with my statement. A level that I you might agree should be valuable in assessing all time lists.
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Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostValero has stopped guys with track records of having great chins. Pitlua who allegedly hadn't been knocked down since the 90s. Demarco and Velazquez are 2 others.
If you put Barrera or Morales in with these guys they would have probably stopped them too. It wouldn't get them on an all time puncher list if they did.
Sorry man but I won't be convinced Valero has met any opponents capable enough to test his worth as an all time puncher. I call it as I see it.
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