History of the Heavyweights part 4 (James J. Jeffries)

[j]

londonringrules,

opportunities dried out for a whole 2 decades after johnson? wasn't it only 15 years before louis acquired the heavyweight strap? and don't forget johnson himself held the strap for more than 5 years.


dempsey1238,

you wouldn't call jeffries a racist. should i pull out some quotes of his referring to black people?

[LondonRingRules]

londonringrules,

opportunities dried out for a whole 2 decades after johnson? wasn't it only 15 years before louis acquired the heavyweight strap? and don't forget johnson himself held the strap for more than 5 years.


dempsey1238,

you wouldn't call jeffries a racist. should i pull out some quotes of his referring to black people?

Johnson lost the title in 1915. Louis gained the title in 1937. I was mistaken, as that was 3 decades, not 2 or 22 total yrs. More importantly, all championship opportunities for black fighters dried out for the lower weight classes during the post Johnson era, classes which had a rich history of black contention.

Johnson could have cared less how many blacks were lynched after his antics. He was strictly a mercenary and showman. As long as he could make the headlines and make good money fighting white journeymen heavies and middleweights, he was in high clover.

Ever hear how Richard Pryor or Public Enemy refer to black folk? Don't fall victim to fad historical/hysterical revisionism. Jeffries was quite advanced for his day and gave plenty of good/great black fighters a crack at him.

[j]

johnson could care less about his fellow race? liketo see some quotes or proof on that one.

johnson is was actually more sophisticated than most people in his time it seemed. he didn't give a **** about racial barriers or difference in races. he was known to treat all people equally.

remember he opened cafe de champion, which was open to all people of all races.

please, provide me with some quotes or some references of jack johnson as neglecting his race. i know ali and frazier would disagree with you, because they were both inspired a great deal by jack.

could it be that you see his racial equality views as him removing himself from the troubles many black people had to deal with? he did go through that **** too. a good read, pick up his autobiography.

[QueensburyRules]

he was a racist coward who was scared to fight johnson when jeffries was champion, and when johnson was champion.

- -Aside from the fact that Jeff did return after 6 yr retirement to fight JJ and having a career record of approx 40 % black fighters, mostly contenders, you might have enough scraps to feed you and your dog under the table.

[QueensburyRules]

johnson could care less about his fellow race? liketo see some quotes or proof on that one.

johnson is was actually more sophisticated than most people in his time it seemed. he didn't give a **** about racial barriers or difference in races. he was known to treat all people equally.

remember he opened cafe de champion, which was open to all people of all races.

please, provide me with some quotes or some references of jack johnson as neglecting his race. i know ali and frazier would disagree with you, because they were both inspired a great deal by jack.

could it be that you see his racial equality views as him removing himself from the troubles many black people had to deal with? he did go through that **** too. a good read, pick up his autobiography.

- -Johnson's Auto was bought by Nat who refused to publish it because it was fairy godmother.

JJ was in a pinch and desperate for $$$. Most of JJ friends were white and all his wives and mistresses were white **********s. He even affected a British accent.

Maybe you fergot that early on Ali was a NOI segregationist wanting a hunk of US land set aside for blacks only.

Ali grew out of his butchered history and black centric views which is when he became the lovable Ali that we were terrified for at the end of his career he should've quit years earlier.