Originally posted by poet682006
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are old school fighters better than present day fighters??
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Originally posted by BigStereotype View PostYou shoulda seen it when he finally did some reading. Twas like a door had been thrown open and all the light finally poured in. Then his dumb ass closed it again
Siding with poet.
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Originally posted by BigStereotype View PostYou have an odd definition of "modern." The sport they were watching in 1867 didn't look anything like 1920 (my cutoff for "modern boxing" in a loose sense), let alone 2012.
but this clip of gans vs herman in 1907 dosnt look all that bad.
same of this one with gans vs nelson
given this, id put money on NP dempsey having a modern style, and id even imagine some bareknucle lighter guys like sayers and mace also had aspects of a modern style, but i wouldnt consider them modern as they only fought under lrr.
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Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Postill give you that there was barely any one fighting under queensbury rules in 1867 and that it wasnt untill sullivan started fighting under queensbury rules that i would consider him modern.
but this clip of gans vs herman in 1907 dosnt look all that bad.
same of this one with gans vs nelson
given this, id put money on NP dempsey having a modern style, and id even imagine some bareknucle lighter guys like sayers and mace also had aspects of a modern style, but i wouldnt consider them modern as they only fought under lrr.
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Originally posted by BigStereotype View PostNot that guys like Gans couldn't compete, that's not what I mean at all. There are certainly guys from before 1920 that could whip some ass if they fought today. But the sport is totally different. They fought with mini-gloves and could punch each other on the ground (essentially) and fouled way more often. Honestly, look at Nelson going like 45 rounds on the regular. That's not modern boxing.
jabs, hooks, foot work, clinching, fouls, counters, fainting, ect.
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Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Postmodern style, very similar aspects to todays boxing.
jabs, hooks, foot work, clinching, fouls, counters, fainting, ect.
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so in your opinion, the only diffrence between non modern boxing and modern boxing is the opposite corner rule?
thats fine, its your opinion.
in my opinion modern boxing started when the modernday rule set was first created, its my opinion.
though its also my opinion that a completly new rule set for a modern generation of boxing is a much better starting point then minor tweak.
its also my opinion, that the fighters skillset is a much more important aspect to determining modern or not, then the ruleset they fought under.Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 05-24-2012, 02:32 AM.
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Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Postso in your opinion, the only diffrence between non modern boxing and modern boxing is the opposite corner rule?
thats fine, its your opinion.
in my opinion modern boxing started when the modernday rule set was first created, its my opinion.
though its also my opinion that a completly new rule set for a modern generation of boxing is a much better starting point then minor tweak.
its also my opinion, that the the fighters skillset is a much more important aspect to determining modern or not, then the ruleset they fought under.
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Originally posted by BigStereotype View PostThat's really not what I said.
1919 dempsey destroys a man while hes getting up, 1920 the opposite corner rule is created and you deem this as the start of modern boxing.
its clear how i came to this conclusion from what you stated.
and even in LRR there is the stipulation that any man with 1 knee and 1 hand or 2 knees on the ground is considered down, same as if any man is hanging from the ropes with his toes off the ground he is considered down.
you are never allowed to hit a man when he is down and a man that is down is not allowed to hit a non downed opponet till he gets up.
aswell in the queensbury rule set it even stated for the non downed man to go to his corner, its just that this wasnt highly praticed, similar to how clinching is illegal, but it was one of the most used tatics for heavies.
though i couldnt find anything about when rabit punching was made illegal.
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Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Postwell, thats what i got from reading it, hopefully any one else that decideds to read it gains the correct understanding.
1919 dempsey destroys a man while hes getting up, 1920 the opposite corner rule is created and you deem this as the start of modern boxing.
its clear how i came to this conclusion from what you stated.
and even in LRR there is the stipulation that any man with 1 knee and 1 hand or 2 knees on the ground is considered down, same as if any man is hanging from the ropes with his toes off the ground he is considered down.
you are never allowed to hit a man when he is down and a man that is down is not allowed to hit a non downed opponet till he gets up.
aswell in the queensbury rule set it even stated for the non downed man to go to his corner, its just that this wasnt highly praticed, similar to how clinching is illegal, but it was one of the most used tatics for heavies.
though i couldnt find anything about when rabit punching was made illegal.
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