Big stars were scared of prime Joe Calzaghe.

[New England]

I rarely post in those threads.

I'm too focused on the fights to post in here.

im usually the same way for important fights. for minor league stuff i dont mind kicking up a little dust in nsb in between the rounds.

teddy atlas says such outrageous stuff i've just got to know what everybody else has to say about it

[Nick Name]

If it helps you sleep at night I guess.

Come on, you must admit: you can disagree with my opinions, but my opinions make sense. Like my Marciano argument: Ali had a better resume, but Marciano had characteristics that might have had Ali in the biggest trouble of his career.

As for Calzaghe: what does an unknown young boxer from Wales have to lose? Very few. What does a rich, hyped up American superstar have to lose? Pretty much everything. It's a question of reputation. That's why arguments that say that Calzaghe and Marciano hand-picked their fights are just ridiculous. Logic goes to show that it's just the opposite. Many boxers with a low-lifestyle and a mean punch go down as underachievers because young, protected champions are scared to fight them. The only ones who are eager to fight them are the old glories who are desperate for money. And they end beaten-up as they deserve.
That makes sense. You can disagree, but it still makes sense.

[Barn]

Come on, you must admit: you can disagree with my opinions, but my opinions make sense. Like my Marciano argument: Ali had a better resume, but Marciano had characteristics that might have had Ali in the biggest trouble of his career.

As for Calzaghe: what does an unknown young boxer from Wales have to lose? Very few. What does a rich, hyped up American superstar have to lose? Pretty much everything. It's a question of reputation. That's why arguments that say that Calzaghe and Marciano hand-picked their fights are just ridiculous. Logic goes to show that it's just the opposite. Many boxers with a low-lifestyle and a mean punch go down as underachievers because young, protected champions are scared to fight them. The only ones who are eager to fight them are the old glories who are desperate for money. And they end beaten-up as they deserve.
That makes sense. You can disagree, but it still makes sense.

Marciano never avoided anyone, I never said that. He doesn't have a good enough resume though. No debates, no opinions. It's fact.

[Nick Name]

If it helps you sleep at night I guess.

Say what you want, but I read frustration between your lines... I don't know why but I always enjoy it when someone who discusses with me ends up frustrated. It amuses me somehow.

[Barn]

Say what you want, but I read frustration between your lines... I don't know why but I always enjoy it when someone who discusses with me ends up frustrated. It amuses me somehow.

I'm not frustrated, it doesn't bother me anymore. It annoyed me in the Marciano discussion but then I realised that you had no capacity for learning from others. So when you dismiss anything me or anyone else says it doesn't affect me.

[Hitman Hodgson]

This again?

[Nick Name]

Marciano never avoided anyone, I never said that. He doesn't have a good enough resume though. No debates, no opinions. It's fact.

Good enough for what, to be considered a better fighter than Ali? I don't think so. Ali had a better resume, but his losses against Frazier and Norton showed weakspots that could have been fatal against Marciano. Also, I think that lots of people Ali's hype is due more to his flamboyant lifestyle than to his actual fighting ability. I believe that both Louis and Marciano were too hard for him.
If you'd rate a fighter based only on the opposition he faced, Archie Moore would easily be considered the greatest boxer of all times. I just comes out of logic.

[Nick Name]

it doesn't bother me anymore. It annoyed me [oops!!] in the Marciano discussion but then I realised that you had no capacity for learning from others.

Oh, how cute from you, johnny boy... If only you knew that you can't possibly ever learn anything from anyone except from the plain trivia. What you can learn from life (and therefore develop your own independent opinion) you'll only learn it form life itself, but this requires the courage to withstand other people's judgement, courage which you seem to lack. "Learning" from other people's opinion is just like not having one of your own, and until you won't have you own independent opinion, you won't be able to respect the others'. Plain and simple. That's what "annoyed" (lol) you so much about my opinion on Marciano and Louis. You just brought in some empty trivia to try and counter my independent opinion, and naturally failed at it. This makes you just mad.


Oh and I saved the sweetest for my last bite... That's just hilarious:

I'm not frustrated

[egodfather]

Joe Calzaghe simply did too little - too late. There's no denying the fact that Calzaghe was happy to defend his WBO belt in close comforts because it was low risk and easy money. Here's a statistical fact on Calzaghe's record: he made 21 defenses at 168 - only 5 of his 21 opponents were considered top-10 super-middles at the time Calzaghe fought them. In 2001, Calzaghe himself said that he didn't want to 'risk it' against Jones Jr. That would've been his defining fight but he didn't want to go to the lion's den. Instead, it took him 9-years to unify and he made his 20th defense against Peter Manfredo. Not a bad fighter but underachieved and overrated.

[Nick Name]

In 2001, Calzaghe himself said that he didn't want to 'risk it' against Jones Jr.

Ok you've had me, I've read that quote of the crown ***els and if it's true, then it's one awful quote. I had never read that quote before. But, it might have been just an understatement: Frank Warren declared that "Roy Jones never ever wanted to fight Calzaghe" and that he "always priced himself out". And that he also "chased Roy Jones for six or seven years and he didn't want to know Joe." Jones didn't bother to prove that wrong as far as I know, so I took it as true. If it's not, I guess that makes Frank Warren a liar. That wouldn't be much of a surprise anyway... I was probably fooled by that, and if it's really false then I beg your pardon.

I've also learned that there were negotiations for a fight with Hopkins in 2002, where Calzaghe declared himself eager to move up in weight, but Hopkins refused to fight him by asking too much money. How do you explain that?

P.S. this goes to show that I can indeed learn anything from anyone and I'm not afraid to face it. It's just up for the truth.