Who hit harder, Tyson or Marciano?

[leff]

just because that's how he started, doesn't mean that's his prime. that's like saying muhammad ali in his prime weighed 183 1/2lbs., cause that's how he started.

nono

he was between 215-220 in his best fights, like aginst ruddock,spimks,holmes and tucker.

[Pugnacious_Z]

weight does play a major role when comparing 2 very hard punches but when comparing a professional fighter to a novice, then weight doesnt matter as much

[leff]

weight does play a major role when comparing 2 very hard punches but when comparing a professional fighter to a novice, then weight doesnt matter as much

logically and and useally a 215 guy will hit harder than a 185, but leverage,genetics,strength,technic etc can easy make the lighter guy the heavier hitter.

fore example a 215-220 tyson hits harder than a 250vk, a 260 mccline etc

[Brassangel]

Tyson, in the early professional fights, hovered around 219. When he was still under Rooney, he dropped to 215 which gave him a little more explosiveness. At the Douglas fight, he jumped to 220.5. So, let's put him between 215-219 during the "ripe" eras of his career.

While it's true that weight doesn't always matter, as Bruce Lee could knock people out who weighed twice what he did, let's keep it simple. Muhammad Ali, in the 60's, usually held weight close to 210-215; and jumped up close to 220 in the 70's. This usually gave him a weight advantage over his opponents. That doesn't mean that he was a harder hitter though, because slugging was not his style. If he did stand and put leverage behind his punches, however, they would deal considerable damage. That's the advantage of having over 210 pounds behind a punch, and your opponent is lighter than you are. When he needed it, the power could be there.

Rocky Marciano was a slugger who could put about 185 pounds into a well-turned right hand. His right hand was absolutely textbook, and it put a lot of guys down. It's harder to knock down a heavier guy, however, when your target has 30 pounds on you. Mike Tyson was never knocked down or knocked out with one punch. It usually took 8-10 rounds of punishment to weaken him enough to go down. That punishment also came from guys who weighed far more than 185 (ie: Douglas 230+, Lewis who weighed about 1000 lbs., etc.). Marciano would most likely come straight at Tyson and would be in for a sore surprise. His punches wouldn't take the bobbing and weaving Tyson out quick enough, while the faster, heavier volume puncher would tear into Rocky. After all, Tyson knocked out a lot of guys who were heavier than 215-219; give him a 30 pound head start and he's gonna feast.

[Pugnacious_Z]

(ie: Douglas 230+, Lewis who weighed about 1000 lbs., etc.). .[/QUOTE]

lewis weighed 1000lbs, HAHAHHA, was dat wen he wasnt training, LOL

[Brassangel]

I was simply stating that Lennox Lewis could have started a whole weight class on his own. Fine, he was really about 985.

[Verstyle]

it's bone structure, natural weight and strength.

it comes from genetics to. I can not go to the gym for months and go in later and still punch harder and faster then most guys cause of my genetics.

[Verstyle]

True, Tyson hurt people, but he doesn't even come close to what Rocky did to some people. He nearly ended Walcott's career. When he fought LaStarza, he had shut both eyes, split both lips, cuts under and above both eyes, swollen left cheek, and LaStarza was begging the ref to not let Marciano hit him again. I believe NextRocky has told us that Marciano put a guy in a coma, ended his career, and paralyzed half of his body. When someone (can't remember who, help me out here NextRocky or Kid Achilles) tried to cover up to avoid punishment from Rocky, Marciano snapped his arm.

jus curious what was the glove sizes back in those days? cause that can be a big factor on how he did what he did cause those gloves looked pretty small to me

[Verstyle]

Carmine Vingo was the guy that Rocky paralyzed, he was a big man, 6'4" and 230 lbs, Rocky ****ed his **** up. Vingo was comparable in size to today's hw's, and Rocky had little trouble with him. the broken arm guy was Roland LaStarza - Rocky fought him twice, the broken arms was the second time. La Starza held his arms up to parry shots like Jack Johnson used to, Rocky's solution to this was to pound LaStarza's arms with his big Suzie Q - his right hand until LaStarza had to drop his hands. it worked

they said he recovered from it

[Skydog]

The glove sizes weren't much different at all. If you look at them, they seem almost the same size.