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Originally posted by Timothy Horton View Postdo you have a link or a quote to the bolded?
" Agents soon traced Johnson's former companion Belle Schreiber to a whorehouse in the nation's capital. Cmemory of dates and places seemed encyclopedic, and her bitterness at Johnson's treatment of her made her just the witness investigators were looking for. Within days, the federal grand jury had issued seven Mann Act indictments, charging Johnson with transporting Schreiber from Pittsburgh to Chicago on October 15, 1910, for the purpose of prostitution and debauchery. Johnson was arrested on November 7, and Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis (who would one day become the first commissioner of baseball and ensure that the sport remained segregated) set bail at $30,000, then threw both Johnson and his bail bondsman into the Cook County Jail. It took a week to bail them out"
Other interesting reads :-
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...chreiber&hl=en
But to the best of my knowledge (unless I am missing something, I do have tons of material about that era), it will be hard to prove conclusively that he ran a whorehouse.
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Originally posted by Timothy Horton View Postam going to try and find some quotes - the original reason was to stop interstate trafficking of **********s, namely those brought into the country, just traveling with hookers isn't the same.
Johnson having a motel upstairs is not the same as being a pimp or madam.
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Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Postcan't supply the 1st one immediately, but here is a WOMAN who alleged the same about Johnson :-
" Agents soon traced Johnson's former companion Belle Schreiber to a whorehouse in the nation's capital. Cmemory of dates and places seemed encyclopedic, and her bitterness at Johnson's treatment of her made her just the witness investigators were looking for. Within days, the federal grand jury had issued seven Mann Act indictments, charging Johnson with transporting Schreiber from Pittsburgh to Chicago on October 15, 1910, for the purpose of prostitution and debauchery. Johnson was arrested on November 7, and Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis (who would one day become the first commissioner of baseball and ensure that the sport remained segregated) set bail at $30,000, then threw both Johnson and his bail bondsman into the Cook County Jail. It took a week to bail them out"
Other interesting reads :-
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...chreiber&hl=en
But to the best of my knowledge (unless I am missing something, I do have tons of material about that era), it will be hard to prove conclusively that he ran a whorehouse.
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arrogant fool
The legality of his conviction has been the topic of many a debate for years and will I am sure will continue without agreement. What is clear and for the most part accepted is that Johnson was targeted due to his amazing ability to enrage the white population by having *** with white women.
He went out of his way to shove it in their faces and clearly loved every minute of it. Jouhnson was an arrogant fool right upto his death and the idea of the pardon was a transparent stunt to promote the sale of the book and film - which worked as I bought both.
i think that had he stayed in the States the KKK would have lynched him when he got out of prison. The only person who has come close to the ability to enrage the US govt. and white americans is of course Ali, who's conversion to religion was so convenient and used as a stick to wave in the face of his opponents. A black man getting in touch with his roots and refusing to do the bidding of his white masters.
Why people persist in believing his reasons for dodging the draft is of constant amusement to me, and as he celebrates his birthday I am certain he would be thinking to himself how well he did in suckering people. I think for that he sure was the greatest
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Originally posted by rob snell View PostThe only person who has come close to the ability to enrage the US govt. and white americans is of course Ali, who's conversion to religion was so convenient and used as a stick to wave in the face of his opponents. A black man getting in touch with his roots and refusing to do the bidding of his white masters.
Why people persist in believing his reasons for dodging the draft is of constant amusement to me, and as he celebrates his birthday I am certain he would be thinking to himself how well he did in suckering people. I think for that he sure was the greatest
Back to the thread, Johnson wasn't a nice man and probably broadly did what he was accused of. Did the authorities gild the lilly and make the crime fit him? For sure, if they are out to get you they will, don't think that's changed much. The way Johnson lived his life he didn't do himself or his race many favours.
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Originally posted by rob snell View PostJohnson was a thug who battered a woman into hospital.
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Jack Johnson was framed, no doubt about it. Did a race and ideology essay on it for uni. If anyone is unfamiliar with his story or wants to learn more i would recommend a great documentary called "Unforgivable Blackness" which was done by PBS. should be on youtube, I'm sure most on boxing scene have seen it but if your haven't check it out!
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Originally posted by WeltshmerzKO View PostJack Johnson was framed, no doubt about it. Did a race and ideology essay on it for uni. If anyone is unfamiliar with his story or wants to learn more i would recommend a great documentary called "Unforgivable Blackness" which was done by PBS. should be on youtube, I'm sure most on boxing scene have seen it but if your haven't check it out!
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