Dempsey vs. Marciano

[travestyny]

Basically Dempsey, whether or not he was willing, wasn't expected to fight Black men.

By the way, as for the 1% of your post that seemed relevant....

During Dempsey's title reign, pressure mounted for him to defend against Wills. In a poll conducted by more than 500 newspapers, Wills was picked as the boxer the public most wanted to see Dempsey fight. Wills got 131,073 votes. Tommy Gibbons finished second, trailing by about 6,000 votes

Desperation isn't a good look for you, sweetie. I know that all the girls SEEM to be doing it, but you're better than that.

[HOUDINI563]

There is nothing concerning boxing you can teach me. I’ve been heavily involved in the sport and it’s history since 1970. Your comment show you are a complete neophyte.

For a third time the timeline and reasons Dempsey’s drew and withdrew the color line have been known for nearly 100 years. Suggest you complete some research and come back with the known history rather than cherry picking to try to forge an alternative reality.

The article I posted clearly stated Dempsey was being set up the night he appeared to fight an exhibition for a war bond drive. In other words Dempsey was fighting the exhibition without being paid. The boxing commissioner states quite clearly it was a set up and apologized to Dempsey. This is all well known boxing history. New for you but well known to anyone bothering to study the time period.

For a fourth time your Judges opinion does nothing to prove your completely historically inaccurate viewpoint. You need to have Dempsey’s testimony and better understand the timeline to understand the true picture. Again your judges opinion is cherry picked in order to try to fashion a very revisionist storyline. The reasons why Dempsey did not fight Wills is among the most well known and understood aspects of boxing history. Been known and understood for nearly 100 years. STUDY UP!

[travestyny]

There is nothing concerning boxing you can teach me. I’ve been heavily involved in the sport and it’s history since 1970. Your comment show you are a complete neophyte.

For a third time the timeline and reasons Dempsey’s drew and withdrew the color line have been known for nearly 100 years. Suggest you complete some research and come back with the known history rather than cherry picking to try to forge an alternative reality.

The article I posted clearly stated Dempsey was being set up the night he appeared to fight an exhibition for a war bond drive. In other words Dempsey was fighting the exhibition without being paid. The boxing commissioner states quite clearly it was a set up and apologized to Dempsey. This is all well known boxing history. New for you but well known to anyone bothering to study the time period.

For a fourth time your Judges opinion does nothing to prove your completely historically inaccurate viewpoint. You need to have Dempsey’s testimony and better understand the timeline to understand the true picture. Again your judges opinion is cherry picked in order to try to fashion a very revisionist storyline. The reasons why Dempsey did not fight Wills is among the most well known and understood aspects of boxing history. Been known and understood for nearly 100 years. STUDY UP!

Then why won't you answer the questions, Houdini? Still looking for an escape route?


1. Did he say he would fight any white man, but not a colored one?

2. Did he break a valid contract to fight the guy he claimed he wanted to fight since 1919.

"Wahhhhh. He set me up to fight Joe Jeannette. I told him I'd fight anyone he wanted...but not Joe Jeannette. I'll fight 2 white men instead of Joe Jeannette."

I'm sure I've taught you a whole lot. Taught you that you're a coward who can't answer simple questions. Aint that right

[HOUDINI563]

There is nothing to answer. You are cherry picking invalid questions from a alternative reality YOU have created. Dempsey did not box an exhibition for a charity event because it was a set up as per the very well known article I posted. Would Ali fight Ron Lyle for free?

Suggest you stop your alternative reality cherry picking and try to really understand the very well known history. No subject in boxing history is as well known and understood as the history behind why Dempsey did not fight Wills. It’s been well known for nearly 100 years and no new facts have been unearthed that changes this history.

Your attempts here are among the most amateurish I’ve ever seen. Know the history and don’t try making it up or cherry picking in an effort to change history. Pick up a book for Christ’s Sake!

[travestyny]

There is nothing to answer. You are cherry picking invalid questions from a alternative reality YOU have created. Dempsey did not box an exhibition for a charity event because it was a set up as per the very well known article I posted. Would Ali fight Ron Lyle for free?

Irrelevant It was for a war charity. It was to be what...6 rounds. And he said he would fight ANY white heavyweight but not a black one, right? Right?

Suggest you stop your alternative reality cherry picking and try to really understand the very well known history. No subject in boxing history is as well known and understood as the history behind why Dempsey did not fight Wills. It’s been well known for nearly 100 years and no new facts have been unearthed that changes this history.

Your attempts here are among the most amateurish I’ve ever seen. Know the history and don’t try making it up or cherry picking in an effort to change history. Pick up a book for Christ’s Sake!

You are truly pathetic. You knew fvvck all about any of these topics, and that's quite clear

Now tell me. Why did Dempsey break a valid contract to fight the only man he wanted to fight since 1919....and then say he will NEVER give him a shot....because the dude was dragging him around to courts...TO FIGHT HIM.


You're as much of a yeller dog as Dempsey was that night in New York City when Joe Jeannette was staring back at him

[HOUDINI563]

And of course you have the written word of Wills himself. Years later when interviewed did he say Dempsey was to blame for him not getting a title shot? No. In fact Wills stated two very specific points BOTH of which jive completely with the very well known history. First he said that the powers who controlled boxing did not want the bout to occur. Secondly he said that if it were up to Dempsey the fight would have occurred. Wills in no way blamed Dempsey. In the end that was Will’s thoughts and they just happen to perfectly jive with the very well known history surrounding this topic.

[travestyny]

And of course you have the written word of Wills himself. Years later when interviewed did he say Dempsey was to blame for him not getting a title shot? No. In fact Wills stated two very specific points BOTH of which jive completely with the very well known history. First he said that the powers who controlled boxing did not want the bout to occur. Secondly he said that if it were up to Dempsey the fight would have occurred. Wills in no way blamed Dempsey. In the end that was Will’s thoughts and they just happen to perfectly jive with the very well known history surrounding this topic.

I'm sure he forgave your boy for his ducking ways.

"I don't expect ever to meet Dempsey in the ring," said a resigned Wills. "He has been dodging me for many years and now I am convinced he has been kidding all along."

[HOUDINI563]

No buddy. Crawl back into the hole you came from. Your false reality revisionist BS won’t work with me. Don’t create a false scenario and cherry pick from that false scenario and expect to get traction with me. You know Jack **** about this subject matter.

[travestyny]

No buddy. Crawl back into the hole you came from. Your false reality revisionist BS won’t work with me. Don’t create a false scenario and cherry pick from that false scenario and expect to get traction with me. You know Jack **** about this subject matter.

False reality with direct quotations, newspaper articles, articles written by Dempsey himself... lmao.


Pathetic. I think it's easy to see what happened here, "Yeller Dog"

This was one scenario that Houdini was unable to escape from Didn't Houdini die from being punched in the stomach by a college kid? You keeping that image alive by being taken to school here, huh?

[HOUDINI563]

Not a question of forgiving anyone. Wills comments that the powers controlling boxing and that Dempsey wanted the bout to occur jives PERFECTLY with the very known history. A history that has been fully understood for nearly 100 years. Suggest you read a few books. The two articles I posted are excellent starting points for beginners like yourself.