How hard did Marciano hit compared to heavyweights like Foreman, Liston, Shavers

[$Bullsfam$]

Still can't get over the shots he hit Louis and Walcott with. The man was nasty. I think he's definitely somewhere up there. Definitely better then the average heavyweight.

[barfly12]

I saw Foreman and Liston

and George hit much harder. No comparison.

[StarshipTrooper]

well he was markedly small for a HW champion


he had little arms, a small base, smallish bones (again, in HW champion terms)


he did, however, put everything humanly possible into his punches, so much so that he would literally throw himself to the ground when he got into the sport.


p4p i would say that he's a very hard puncher at the absolute least.
additionally, he was able to knock men out from round 1 to round 15, which tyson, shavers, and some of the other historic great HW punchers could not.


i would rank his power below the men you mentioned merely because of the size

im going off the top of my head, but i don't think rocky had a longer reach than 70 inches. i don't feel like looking it up, but it believe his reach was 68 inches. thats only an inch longer than pacquiao, four inches shorter than mayweather, about seven inches shorter than martinez, etc.
you just cant generate as much leverage and force with a body that small as you can with a body like liston, or foreman, with much longer arms, bigger shoulders, a wider base, more height for leverage, and obviously more weight to transfer

It's more complicated that.....I'll get into it a bit more with you when I got a bit more time. Just to say for the time being that most of a puncher's power is generated by the legs not the arms

Poet

[New England]

It's more complicated that.....I'll get into it a bit more with you when I got a bit more time. Just to say for the time being that most of a puncher's power is generated by the legs not the arms

Poet

we can get into it later certainly in more detail


for the purposes of elaborating on post that the young man put up (that punching power would be greater coming from smaller arms because they would find space,) i felt it appropriate to tell him that larger arms, generally of course, and on the whole, generate more power


larger arms are generally are on larger bodies
with larger legs, hands, etc


and i do agree certainly, especially in terms of the base, legs are important for generating power

after all, you are essentially transferring weight over space



to address the young man's post, the idea was to say that a bigger stick generally is going to hit harder if they are moving the same speed

and that bigger men generally punch harder.

[Pastrano]

and George hit much harder. No comparison.

Not really. If you look at his fights with Peralta and Lyle, he had problems putting them both away. Peralta even went the distance with him once, he had balls. I think even tho George had heavier hands, Rocky's punches were more effective perhaps. He KNEW how to hit and inflict damage, Foreman was more a crude slugger.

[Marchegiano]

in terms of punching power, in a word, no. a development of an understanding of punching power doesn't come overnight certainly.


bigger arms are associated with larger men, obviously
higher weight classes
etc.
harder punchers generally




think of it like bringing a bigger gun to a gunfight
or a larger stick to a stickfight

or sword to a swordfight

are you gonna do more damage winging a dagger around at your opponents breastplate or are you going to go at him with a two handed sword with some length and leverage?

Look **** up before you post. If you had you'd know your blatantly wrong here. I am obviously biased in Rocco's favor, and it seems like everytime I defend my champ I get some red K and called troll. in the spirit of not trolling I'm not talking about Rocco's power against any others'...just size.

The first. Bigger body means bigger hands. Larger hands means bigger dispersion of power, meaning an easier to absorb shock blow......does the flat side or round side of a ball-peen do more damage? Also...inertia takes effect...you require more power to move...period, and unfair amount more. This is lost energy( law of conservation of energy boy-o). The op's question is can Rocky hit harder...has little to do with weather the answer is subjective to trajectory....but there's no solid basis to claim anyone bigger can out throw him in his trajectory....really your asking does Tyson's perfect punch beat Rocky's.....not so much can Tyson throw Rocky's punches harder....the answer is no to the latter was given before either men ever threw....it's no, and as you get smaller it gets harder for Mike. See how much force you can generate with the range of motion a toddler has....my nephew hits harder again Law of Conservation of Energy....scientific Newtonian law...you really ain't smart enough to beat it. Second. There is NO BAD body type. If your larger than your perfect trajectory is nice and large. A small man works on the inside. I'll word it like this. Short=inside fighter Tall= outside fighter. Third: the sword comment is absolutely horrid....really? a Two hand-er eh? The long sword (one handed) dominated the sword era...No, you don't simply grab the biggest sword and call it damaging. You grab the extension of yourself with the sharpest blade. Another point in swords that relates: The Shinogi-Zukuri, a curved long sword, used by samurai can cut much more than any straight sword regardless of weight. The reason being dispersion of energy...of the lack of it.
.....really terrible outlook on sword play....just terrible

[New England]

Look **** up before you post. If you had you'd know your blatantly wrong here. I am obviously biased in Rocco's favor, and it seems like everytime I defend my champ I get some red K and called troll. in the spirit of not trolling I'm not talking about Rocco's power against any others'...just size.

The first. Bigger body means bigger hands. Larger hands means bigger dispersion of power, meaning an easier to absorb shock blow......does the flat side or round side of a ball-peen do more damage? Also...inertia takes effect...you require more power to move...period, and unfair amount more. This is lost energy( law of conservation of energy boy-o). The op's question is can Rocky hit harder...has little to do with weather the answer is subjective to trajectory....but there's no solid basis to claim anyone bigger can out throw him in his trajectory....really your asking does Tyson's perfect punch beat Rocky's.....not so much can Tyson throw Rocky's punches harder....the answer is no to the latter was given before either men ever threw....it's no, and as you get smaller it gets harder for Mike. See how much force you can generate with the range of motion a toddler has....my nephew hits harder again Law of Conservation of Energy....scientific Newtonian law...you really ain't smart enough to beat it. Second. There is NO BAD body type. If your larger than your perfect trajectory is nice and large. A small man works on the inside. I'll word it like this. Short=inside fighter Tall= outside fighter. Third: the sword comment is absolutely horrid....really? a Two hand-er eh? The long sword (one handed) dominated the sword era...No, you don't simply grab the biggest sword and call it damaging. You grab the extension of yourself with the sharpest blade. Another point in swords that relates: The Shinogi-Zukuri, a curved long sword, used by samurai can cut much more than any straight sword regardless of weight. The reason being dispersion of energy...of the lack of it.
.....really terrible outlook on sword play....just terrible

lol you're silly and i'm not even going to bother.

[barfly12]

Marciano carried his power throughout the fight

Unlike Foreman, Shavers, and to a lesser degree Tyson, Marciano could hit just as hard in the 13th round as he could in the first and second. He never got tired, never got weaker. He carried his power throughouot the whole fight. No one else can say that.

[Control-]

I don't think he hit quite as hard as Shavers or Foreman but he's one of the top 10 hardest punches in history in my view.

[phallus]

Still can't get over the shots he hit Louis and Walcott with. The man was nasty. I think he's definitely somewhere up there. Definitely better then the average heavyweight.

Unlike Foreman, Shavers, and to a lesser degree Tyson, Marciano could hit just as hard in the 13th round as he could in the first and second. He never got tired, never got weaker. He carried his power throughouot the whole fight. No one else can say that.

what barfly said is what i was going to say, i can't think of any other fighter that hit as hard in the last round as he did in the first, anybody that can knock out a bigger man in the late rounds with 1 right hand is a devastating puncher. marciano's punches broke bones