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Originally posted by poet682006 View PostMayweather was much more active at the lower weights than his is at Welter. Even so, I think he starts to run after the Arguello right clocks him. Think Rosario Vs Camacho. Put in judges from the 1970s who actually penalize you for those kind of tactics and I think Floyd runs and potshots his way to a decision loss. Arguello may find Floyd difficult to land on but given that I think Floyd's workrate is going to go in the tank after he gets hit it's not going to matter.
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if he's gonna run it's gonna be part of his gameplan
and start from round one
from what i've seen, catching him usually gets him to move foward
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Originally posted by Blah! View Postwhen has he ever started to run after getting clocked?
if he's gonna run it's gonna be part of his gameplan
and start from round one
from what i've seen, catching him usually gets him to move foward
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I cant imagine Mayweather beating Hearns in any scenario. Hearns was nearly impossible to outbox, as shown in his performances againt Benitez, Hill and Leonard, and was a death trap against most stalking fighters, as shown in his fights against Cuevas and Duran.
to walk down Hearns you had to be exceptionally durable and one of the toughest ****ers around. Barkley and Hagler were able to do it, but people forget Barkley was getting murdered to the body and was badly cut within 2 rounds, and that Hearns broke his right hand on Haglers head, rocking and cutting him.
and Barkley was huge for a middleweight. the guy went on to have success at LHW and even close his career at HW with some stoppage wins, despite being pretty much shot and out of shape.
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Originally posted by Steak View PostI cant imagine Mayweather beating Hearns in any scenario. Hearns was nearly impossible to outbox, as shown in his performances againt Benitez, Hill and Leonard, and was a death trap against most stalking fighters, as shown in his fights against Cuevas and Duran.
to walk down Hearns you had to be exceptionally durable and one of the toughest ****ers around. Barkley and Hagler were able to do it, but people forget Barkley was getting murdered to the body and was badly cut within 2 rounds, and that Hearns broke his right hand on Haglers head, rocking and cutting him.
and Barkley was huge for a middleweight. the guy went on to have success at LHW and even close his career at HW with some stoppage wins, despite being pretty much shot and out of shape.
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Originally posted by studentofthegam View PostSo Mayweather isnt tough enough? I guess thats where we differ. He may be spoiled but when he gets hit he wants it back. I could definitely see Hearns rocking him a little early but Floyd in deep water with healthy hands is not what most fighters care to deal with.
and even then, those two went through hell to beat Hearns. Not much longer and Barkley would have been gone, and that was the only time I can think of that Hagler was ever actually hurt by a punch.
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Originally posted by Steak View PostMayweather is tough, sure. but I dont think hes nearly as tough or durable as prime Iran Barkley or Marvin Hagler...and you certainly dont think Mayweather hits as hard as either of them, do you?
and even then, those two went through hell to beat Hearns. Not much longer and Barkley would have been gone, and that was the only time I can think of that Hagler was ever actually hurt by a punch.
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Originally posted by studentofthegam View PostNo I dont think Floyd hit as hard as those guys. I just think his timing and accuracy would make up for that against Hearns. When I talk toughness I see this in FMJ. For all the tactics that have been used against him I cant remember one time when Floyd even had a short conversation with a ref about what a guy did to him. He just adjusts accordingly. Its a mental toughness that gets him over the hump against most guys.
and its not just about toughness, its about durability as well. guys like Hagler and Barkley could soak up damage like nothing and keep going. And take into account they were taking this damage from natural Middleweights, a weight that Mayweather has never fought at. And Hearns still ****ed them up badly before getting caught by a few hard punches(with the kind of power that Mayweather flat out doesnt have).
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Originally posted by Steak View PostBarkley is one of the toughest fighters Ive ever seen, period. I think mentally Floyd is very strong, but definitely not on the level of Barkley.
and its not just about toughness, its about durability as well. guys like Hagler and Barkley could soak up damage like nothing and keep going. And take into account they were taking this damage from natural Middleweights, a weight that Mayweather has never fought at. And Hearns still ****ed them up badly before getting caught by a few hard punches(with the kind of power that Mayweather flat out doesnt have).
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Originally posted by studentofthegam View PostWell you can have that because Floyd dont take punishment. Thats not the way to go. Now keep it real Barkley just had a hard ass head. It wasnt mental toughness. It was strictly physical.
I have to admit, I never thought Id hear Barkley's toughness questioned. When have you ever had reason to doubt the guys tenacity?
and how exactly do you think that Floyd would not take punishment if hes trying to walk down Hearns...? His high guard style only goes so far, and if dont try to dig in with it(Floyd is always more methodical about it) then youre going to be outboxed and outfought like Benitez and Hill.
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