Jack Johnson vs. Wlad Klitschko

[Terry A]

Here's something else about this match up.....

Some of the guys are picking JJ because of his defensive prowness, even though Klitschko is 6 inches bigger & 40 lbs heavier. Ok.

Then, staying with this thinking, take a Benny Leonard, for example. 5'5", 135 lbs. Great defense, not a big threat to get somebody outta there before the end of the fight.

Who here would take Benny Leonard vs a 5'11, 175 lb lightheavyweight, say along the lines of a Matthew Saad Muhammad. A great lightweight vs a very good, not necessarily great, lightheavyweight?

Or how about Willie Pep. 5'5", 126 lbs. Anyone like his side against a Nigel Benn or a Gerald McClelland? 5-6 inches and 40 lbs is all that is.....

How about Roberto Duran at 135 vs Bob Foster at 175? It's only 4o lbs but it's a BIG 40 lbs.

Same logic has to hold true if you like the little, less heavy handed JJ over Klitschko.

[Obama]

Here's something else about this match up.....

Some of the guys are picking JJ because of his defensive prowness, even though Klitschko is 6 inches bigger & 40 lbs heavier. Ok.

Then, staying with this thinking, take a Benny Leonard, for example. 5'5", 135 lbs. Great defense, not a big threat to get somebody outta there before the end of the fight.

Who here would take Benny Leonard vs a 5'11, 175 lb lightheavyweight, say along the lines of a Matthew Saad Muhammad. A great lightweight vs a very good, not necessarily great, lightheavyweight?

Or how about Willie Pep. 5'5", 126 lbs. Anyone like his side against a Nigel Benn or a Gerald McClelland? 5-6 inches and 40 lbs is all that is.....

How about Roberto Duran at 135 vs Bob Foster at 175? It's only 4o lbs but it's a BIG 40 lbs.

Same logic has to hold true if you like the little, less heavy handed JJ over Klitschko.

No it does not. There is a reason the weight divisions get further and further apart as you move up, and why everything over 200 today (175 then) is Heavyweight. You gotta adjust your numbers. At the very least go by the % increase in body mass, don't just stack on 40 lbs

[Barn]

Here's something else about this match up.....

Some of the guys are picking JJ because of his defensive prowness, even though Klitschko is 6 inches bigger & 40 lbs heavier. Ok.

Then, staying with this thinking, take a Benny Leonard, for example. 5'5", 135 lbs. Great defense, not a big threat to get somebody outta there before the end of the fight.

Who here would take Benny Leonard vs a 5'11, 175 lb lightheavyweight, say along the lines of a Matthew Saad Muhammad. A great lightweight vs a very good, not necessarily great, lightheavyweight?

Or how about Willie Pep. 5'5", 126 lbs. Anyone like his side against a Nigel Benn or a Gerald McClelland? 5-6 inches and 40 lbs is all that is.....

How about Roberto Duran at 135 vs Bob Foster at 175? It's only 4o lbs but it's a BIG 40 lbs.

Same logic has to hold true if you like the little, less heavy handed JJ over Klitschko.

Dude it's a ratio not 40Ibs

10Ib guine pig vs 50Ib Jack Russel is x5 but, still 40Ibs.

[New England]

I wasn't making a pick off that reasoning. Just responding to Barn's comment.

Personally, I probably pick Wlad. Considering the good point you made about Johnson's usual size advantage.

Then again, I remember how woefully bad Wladimir Klitschko's inside game is. Size advantage of not Johnson would win the inside battle.

But all in all I would probably pick Klitschko to beat him.

Good breakdown, though. You made some good points.

thanks bro

i knew what you were goin for when mentioning johnson's ledger (that you were merely bringing light to the reality of the greatness of their respective careers and not necessarily using it as evidence for who would win in a H2h)

you can probably cut a one or two year year slice of his resume in his prime and find better wins than all of wladimir's career
and probably for many different sets of years
same with some other great HW's

[New England]

Dude it's a ratio not 40Ibs

10Ib guine pig vs 50Ib Jack Russel is x5 but, still 40Ibs.

terrier KO2


safe money right there

[StarshipTrooper]

No it does not. There is a reason the weight divisions get further and further apart as you move up, and why everything over 200 today (175 then) is Heavyweight. You gotta adjust your numbers. At the very least go by the % increase in body mass, don't just stack on 40 lbs

To put it simply, a 10 pound difference in weight means a hell of a lot more to someone who weighs 120 pounds then it does to someone who weighs 220 pounds.

Poet

[BigStereotype]

To put it simply, a 10 pound difference in weight means a hell of a lot more to someone who weighs 120 pounds then it does to someone who weighs 220 pounds.

Poet

This is true but we're looking at like a 60 pound advantage for Klitschko. There's a point where size does start to matter...that extra weight would be a huge advantage in a clinch and both guys love to wrestle. Now I know you're a huge detractor of Wlad's and I was actually really interested in your take on the strategy of the fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

This is true but we're looking at like a 60 pound advantage for Klitschko. There's a point where size does start to matter...that extra weight would be a huge advantage in a clinch and both guys love to wrestle. Now I know you're a huge detractor of Wlad's and I was actually really interested in your take on the strategy of the fight.

Since when does Wlad like to wrestle? He stays on the end of his reach all fight long and pecks with his jab with an occasional right thrown in. The only reason he gets away with it is because today's Heavies are either clueless as to how or have no inclination to get inside Wlad's reach advantage. That's not something Johnson is going to have an issue with. Wlad has neither the footwork nor the speed to prevent someone from getting inside if they know what they're doing and are serious about doing it. Hell, Ibragimov got inside by accident and what did he do? He stepped right back out instead of taking advantage of it ffs. I could easily see Johnson picking off Wlad's jab (Johnson was a master at parrying), getting inside the reach, and putting some serious hurt on the chinny Wlad. I could see Johnson having problems with Vitali (who actually DOES use is weight on the inside), but not with Wlad.

Poet

[Scott9945]

Since when does Wlad like to wrestle? He stays on the end of his reach all fight long and pecks with his jab with an occasional right thrown in. The only reason he gets away with it is because today's Heavies are either clueless as to how or have no inclination to get inside Wlad's reach advantage. That's not something Johnson is going to have an issue with. Wlad has neither the footwork nor the speed to prevent someone from getting inside if they know what they're doing and are serious about doing it. Hell, Ibragimov got inside by accident and what did he do? He stepped right back out instead of taking advantage of it ffs. I could easily see Johnson picking off Wlad's jab (Johnson was a master at parrying), getting inside the reach, and putting some serious hurt on the chinny Wlad. I could see Johnson having problems with Vitali (who actually DOES use is weight on the inside), but not with Wlad.

Poet

I'm pretty sure that most of his opponents would testify that Wladimir does a hell of a lot more with that jab than peck. He dominates with it.

[Canelo Phresh]

I was thinking about this fight today, wondering how it would play out. In all likelihood, it would be a snoozer but it could be an interesting tactical fight. I'm kinda torn on who would win. Johnson is the greater heavyweight with the better resume, but Wlad is no walk in the park and Johnson would have trouble landing that uppercut on a chin that's thirty-two feet in the air. What do you guys think?

better resume? i think johnson is a greater heavyweight but better resume? thats hate bro.