Calzaghe vs Dawson at 175 lbs

[Toney616]

jones signed a fight with douglas, he vacated and was moving up, but his father urged him otherwise so he pulled out of the douglas fight and went back to LHW,

The Douglas fight didn't come around until after the Nunn fight. Jones would claim that HBO were not paying him enough to fight Nunn

the wbc gave jones his title back but graciano had paid the fees and so felt they should both meet, graciano was a no show at the conference, so the wbc said jones was the real wbc champ

Graciano fought Nunn for the vacated belt, he won and became the Champion. The WBC basically tried to screw Graciano because they knew the sanctioing fees from Jones would be bigger

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anyway, hill and griffin were better wins than nunn at lhw

Technically the Hill fight was a cw fight. Jones best wins at lhw are:
Reggie Johnson
Montell Griffin
Antonio Tarver
Nunn would of been a better win than all of the other guys he fought at that weight.

[Toney616]

LMAO at Jones who was shot to pieces and been knocked out and beaten far more impressively then Calzaghe did it being equal with #2 pound for pound Winky Wright.

The P4P ratings are an IMAGINARY rating system based on all fighters being the same size. In reality they are not all not the same size, so the ratings mean NOTHING.
Outside of jmw what has Winky done at mw, smw and lhw? The answer is nothing. Beating him at lhw a weight he has no business fighting at means nothing. Calzaghe beating that version of Jones means nothing. That is why those wins are equal

You just showed you have absolutely no knowledge of the sport of boxing

If Hopkins and Pacquaio were at no1 and no2 in the p4p rankings should they fight?

[Toney616]

It doesn't matter about him losing its about the fights he took and he took the best version of Tarver.

And he is 1-2 against Tarver, which means at that stage of their careers Tarver is the better fighter.

I absolutely disagree, Calzaghe is NOT an ATG and Hopkins clearly is.

Calzaghe is NOT a ATG I completely agree with that, but neither is Hopkins

Hopkins beat top 10 contenders Mercado, Lipsey, Vanderpool, Echols x2, Allen x2, Daniels and Eastman. Hes really in a different league to Calzaghe,

Mercado, Vanderpool, Daniels and Eastman were all journeyman
Lipsey was a green contender with an asthma condition, he retired after the Hopkins loss
Echols and Allen were fringe contenders and never achieved anything at mw

I also thought Hopkins edged the Calzaghe and Taylor fights so I count that as a win for him,

You can't do that. You can only work with the official judging, other wise I can say well I like so and so, so all of his losses are really wins.

either way Calzaghes best win was controversial, and even if I took it as a Calzaghe win Hopkins is clearly greater. He certainly deserved the Pascal fight and I count that as a win.

During their 12 round fight Hopkins was holding 10+ times per round, consistently headbutting, hitting on the breaks and overacting and you think it was a controversial loss? Hopkins should of got Dqed. Goldenboy obviously pulled strings to get Jay Nady replaced with fair but biased Cortez

It was scored a draw and we can only use the official rulings.

I don't see how you can have the Lacy and Pavlik fights even, Lacy hadn't beat anyone and didn't do anything after, there wasn't much in it between Hopkins and Pavlik in terms of size, its well known that Pavlik use to weigh a lot on fight night (around 180 pounds if I'm not mistaken). Pavlik was a top fighter and was expected to win or atleast be very tough but no Hopkins outclassed a much younger fighter, who had beaten a top fighter in Taylor twice.

Pavik at fight night was around 171 lbs, according to the HBO weigh in Hopkins was 180 lbs. But according to Jack Leow Hopkins was really 187 lbs come fight night

Pavlik was never a top fighter, he is way too 1 dimensional to be classed as an elite fighter. He is a 1d come forward puncher, literally tailor made for a defensive minded counter-puncher, like Hopkins.

Taylor was never a top fighter, but he did have the potential to be one. Taylor's record before he retired:
Pavlik: ko loss
Pavilk: ud loss
Lacy: ud win
Froch: ko loss
Abraham: ko loss
Dude went 1-4 in his last 5 fights, including the Pavlik losses. He was clearly a fighter on the slide and Abraham is a club fighter

The fact that Hopkins has done what he has done at such an advanced age is truly amazing and should be an addition to his greatness,

He has been cherry picking his opponents since Howard Eastman.

there is only one fighter who really competes with him in that aspect and thats Moore.

Moore in his forties was fighting top contenders at hw, not calling out jmws and former wws

Not to mention Hopkins snatched 2 legitimate championships in 2 legitimate weight-classes. By the way I don't count paper belts so I don't put any stock into 21 or 20 title defenses or whatever, I certainly don't regard Hopkins as the longest reigning MW, I don't really see how they are close at all, different classes of fighter.

The Ring belt isn't really a belt, seeing as how you don't have to fight your no 2. Think Dawson who was ranked no 2 after Hopkins

[jermainerambo]

Athletic Attributes:
Power: Dawson
Hand speed: Equal
Reach: Dawson

Technical Attributes:
Defense: Dawson
Offense: ?
Combination punching: Dawson
Jab: Dawson
Footwork: Dawson

Other:
Workrate: Calzaghe
Intangibles: Equal
Boxing IQ: Calzaghe

Weight:
175 lbs (fight takes place after Jones-Calzaghe)

Blueprint fight:
Dawson vs Johnson I
Dawson never thought anyone like Calzaghe, but Johnson was solid defensively and kept pressuring Dawson like Calzaghe would

Thoughts?

Athletic Attributes:
Power: calzaghe 32 ko
Hand speed: calzaghe
Reach: Dawson

Technical Attributes:
Defense: calzaghe 15 year in the game and not a mark on his face
Offense: calzaghe 1000 punches per fight
Combination punching: calzaghe
Jab: calzaghe
Footwork: calzaghe always on his toes bouncing around

Other:
Workrate: Calzaghe
Intangibles: calzaghe
Boxing IQ: Calzaghe

[Toney616]

and jones also hadn't fought a year before fighting hill
could'nt make the limit and jones gave him a catchweight, that was nice of him

Yep, it was

[Toney616]

Athletic Attributes:
Power: calzaghe 32 ko
Hand speed: calzaghe
Reach: Dawson

Technical Attributes:
Defense: calzaghe 15 year in the game and not a mark on his face
Offense: calzaghe 1000 punch per fight
Combination punching: calzaghe
Jab: calzaghe
Footwork: calzaghe always on his toes bouncing around

Other:
Workrate: Calzaghe
Intangibles: calzaghe
Boxing IQ: Calzaghe

lol

[Clyde Barrow]

Calzaghe takes risks and Dawson refuses to. He has the goods to beat Joe but it's not a fight he wins easily. Therefore, it's not a fight he wins. I think Joe would just pile up his punch count and frustrate Dawson to a wide points loss. Joe only had a close fight with Hopkins and an old Roy on his LHW resume, but assuming he's at his best, Dawson wouldn't do enough.

[Alec900]

Eubank - Washed Up
Collins - Washed Up
Bika - A Nobody
Kessler - Eurofraud
BHOP - Washed Up
Jones - Completely Washed UP
Lacy - The only people calling him "the next Tyson" were morons.....kind of like you!

caghe never fought collins

[StarshipTrooper]

caghe never fought collins

Try reading the post I was responding to:

eubank collins bika kessler BHOP ( who is still fighting for belts 4 years later ), RJJ ( who is like a year older only ) jeff lacy ( undefeated, next "mike tyson" )

Yup, joe never fought anyone with a pulse.

Joe beats all your favorites, on any day, in the ring or on the street.

[StarshipTrooper]

He's a troll indeed and a pus*y in addition, coz he put me on ignore right away instead of facing me like a man.

Sorry but you have to reach manhood first.