what if the SMW version of James Toney was in the Division Today?

[nachorjj]

do not know what would happen in a clash with Ward, but to others they would win and probably by KO

[RubenSonny]

How is he more talented? Athletically Bute is as good as it gets, Bute is accurate, slick, has great power and has can fight outside inside and in the pocket. Bute is the full package except for maybe chin.

Nunn was slicker, more accurate and more physically gifted, maybe less power though. I saw Bute troubled on the inside by Brian Magee....

[SCtrojansbaby]

Nunn was slicker, more accurate and more physically gifted, maybe less power though. I saw Bute troubled on the inside by Brian Magee....

You could argue Nunn was slicker, but he was never even against lower end comp nearly as accurate as Bute. Bute as an athlete is about as good as it gets

[RubenSonny]

You could argue Nunn was slicker, but he was never even against lower end comp nearly as accurate as Bute.

Bute hasn't fought anyone particularly good and he struggled against Magee and got KTFO by Andrade, I don't see how hes on the level of a prime and focused Nunn.

[The_Demon]

You could argue Nunn was slicker, but he was never even against lower end comp nearly as accurate as Bute.

Nunn was a hell of a lot slicker,theirs no argument

[New England]

That is a terrible example, Michael Nunn would be the right example. But I think Bute has more power then Nunn not that he could KO Toney but he would respect his punches more and not be as quick to to counter. Still it is at worst a 50/50 fight and if I had to bet I would bet on Toney

for the first bold i'm wondering why? if you can fight as a heavyweight with toney's size clearly you have the craft to create a favorable distance, and wont be overwhelmed by length


that fight is in my collection. i watch it all the time.
for a former middleweight well beyond his best days you cant tell me that it was anything but a masterpiece, and evidence aplenty that bute's length wouldnt be a problem for james toney

and as for the speed and power, toney fought faster and more powerful guys




for the second bold, keeping in mind that you evidently watch football (and perhaps not boxing


Cmon man!


you're talking about legitimate legend in his prime losing to lucian bute?

bute was knocked out by liberado andrade, dude. liberado andrade! that ref ought to be run out of town. bute was completely drained and out on his feet, and the ref stalled for a solid 25 seconds


a shady referee is the only thing that saved bute from a kayo loss to andrade.
and you have him 50/ 50 with james toney?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Bute hasn't fought anyone particularly good and he struggled against Magee and got KTFO by Andrade, I don't see how hes on the level of a prime and focused Nunn.

As I said Bute in no where near as accomplished. But Nunn has had an off night against some lower end guys like Magee as well, 95% of fighters do. As for the Andrade fight it may have exposed a flaw but Andrade has legit power and Bute just got lazy he dominated most of that fight and was very very impressive in the rematch.

[Toney616]

I see him beating everyone, but him coming in super out of shape and getting outhustled by someone like Froch or Ward is still a possibility.

Toney in his own words:

"Lack of motivation hurt me," Toney admits. "I didn't train right. I didn't run for eight years. After the Barkley fight, I was never really in shape."

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/th...hes-for-glory1

[Toney616]

Bute hasn't fought anyone particularly good and he struggled against Magee and got KTFO by Andrade, I don't see how hes on the level of a prime and focused Nunn.

Nunn was already on the slide by the time he fought Toney. He really had no business losing that fight

[lightsout_finit]

lol at anyone who rates bute over nunn!!! XD

Bute has some power and is quite accurate also he isn't slow in the early rounds.
But he has terrible stamina and is easily confused. The guy throws like 5 shots a round.

Nunn had speed, power and boxing skill with decent stamina
Bute wishes he had Nunns attributes.