Vitali Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Daddy T]

I don't call Marciano a crusier because he fought men as big as were willing to fight. He did not fight men just at crusier weight. He may have been only about 185 pounds but he fought 250 pound men and would have likey fought 300 pound men if need be. If you think Marciano has a good chance against Holyfield I don't see why you think he can't beat Vitali. Don't forget Marciano was trained for endurance he ran up to 15 miles a day even on christmas. Trust me not many people weight over 200 pounds if they are running the kind of distances Marciano ran. I used to weight about 160 pounds when I was running bettween 10 and 19 kilometers a day now since I don't run I weigh 240.

The main reason I see him doing badly against Vitali is Vitali's power and the size advantage really is a lot even for a guy like rocky. He's also the type of fighter that just plods forward and comes straight at you (and I don't mean that in a bad way it worked for him) but I think thats the sort of style that imo would play into Vitali's hands. To beat vitali unless your a beast like foreman or can stand eye to eyewith him like Lewis you really need great movement. Marciano doesn't have that he's a pressure fighter who wears guys down and Vitali would take a hell of a lot of wearing down.
(I think rocky might do well against wlad though - wlad doesn't like it up him)

On the other hand a good small guy to fight Vitali would be Holyfield fighting like he did in Bowe 2 I think he'd beat either brother. I guess its just how I see them mixing and matching ... check out that exhibiution fight between rocky and ali (just to see the size difference) and then imagine rocky with his come forward style fighting vitali ... it just seems like a big ask to me.

[Holtol]

The main reason I see him doing badly against Vitali is Vitali's power and the size advantage really is a lot even for a guy like rocky. He's also the type of fighter that just plods forward and comes straight at you (and I don't mean that in a bad way it worked for him) but I think thats the sort of style that imo would play into Vitali's hands. To beat vitali unless your a beast like foreman or can stand eye to eyewith him like Lewis you really need great movement. Marciano doesn't have that he's a pressure fighter who wears guys down and Vitali would take a hell of a lot of wearing down.
(I think rocky might do well against wlad though - wlad doesn't like it up him)

On the other hand a good small guy to fight Vitali would be Holyfield fighting like he did in Bowe 2 I think he'd beat either brother. I guess its just how I see them mixing and matching ... check out that exhibiution fight between rocky and ali (just to see the size difference) and then imagine rocky with his come forward style fighting vitali ... it just seems like a big ask to me.

Personaly I think Marciano's power is greater then Vitali's. Look at some of Marcaino's knock outs then look at Vitali's.

Your mistaken about Vitali having a size advantage. But I understand your thinking because of weight classes being the way they are. Rest assured weight classes are not in exsistance for the benefit of small or big boxers. They are in place for the reason of having more relevant fights that fans pay money for.

[physiker]

What happened to the old adage that "a good big man beats a good little man."
Rocky vs K bros is really like a CW vs a superheavyweight class fighter. This is the equivalent of asking what happens if a good or great WW at 147 pounds fights the LHW champ at 175. (Actually the weight difference is even more, and here a great height difference as well.) Few people would question the outcome of the 147 pound champ fighting the LHW champ.

As far as Rocky vs Dawson, I'd go with Rocky.

But Vitali (and I am not a fan of his) took Lenox Lewis best bombs which cut him but he didn't go down. Do you really think Lewis didn't have at least as much power as Rocky?

The truth is that Vitali would be the one walking Rocky down and bombing him out of there. Rocky's footwork and ability to slip punches were not great. Old, well pastprime boxers weighing 180-190 dropped him. His 49 and 0 is highly suspect based on who he fought and who he didn't fight. That 0 can't be used to justify anything.

Based on who dropped Rocky, and everything else, Vitali wins by early KO.

[Spartacus Sully]

What happened to the old adage that "a good big man beats a good little man."

never herd that one....but what about

"the bigger they are the harder they fall"

all this talk about klitschko standing toe to toe with marciano....he would have no leverage...to actaully punch and do damage with his punches he would have to make distance.....this isnt foreman and marciano where all forman has to do is swing and the punches will hurt....this is Vk vs marciano.....distance matters and marciano is going to have no problem closing the distance and smothering everything vk throws....

and really....not good at slipping? have you ever watched marciano fight?

[bklynboy]

What happened to the old adage that "a good big man beats a good little man."
Rocky vs K bros is really like a CW vs a superheavyweight class fighter. This is the equivalent of asking what happens if a good or great WW at 147 pounds fights the LHW champ at 175. (Actually the weight difference is even more, and here a great height difference as well.) Few people would question the outcome of the 147 pound champ fighting the LHW champ.

As far as Rocky vs Dawson, I'd go with Rocky.

But Vitali (and I am not a fan of his) took Lenox Lewis best bombs which cut him but he didn't go down. Do you really think Lewis didn't have at least as much power as Rocky?

The truth is that Vitali would be the one walking Rocky down and bombing him out of there. Rocky's footwork and ability to slip punches were not great. Old, well pastprime boxers weighing 180-190 dropped him. His 49 and 0 is highly suspect based on who he fought and who he didn't fight. That 0 can't be used to justify anything.

Based on who dropped Rocky, and everything else, Vitali wins by early KO.

There's a difference here. After a certain point your skull doesn't get thicker, your ability to handle a head shot doesn't get better. A bantamweight fighting a lightweight is facing a much bigger hurdle in knocking him out, or even hurting him than a cruiserweight have with a heavyweight or even a "super" heavyweight.

The major advantage of the bigger guy are his ability to handle body shots (but not shots to the solar plexus or kidney); his ability to wear you down by leaning and wrestling with you; and of course his punches, esp the jab, will be heavier than someone your own weight.

Disadvantages of being 60 pounds heavier - stamina and quickness.

[Barn]

What happened to the old adage that "a good big man beats a good little man."
Rocky vs K bros is really like a CW vs a superheavyweight class fighter. This is the equivalent of asking what happens if a good or great WW at 147 pounds fights the LHW champ at 175. (Actually the weight difference is even more, and here a great height difference as well.) Few people would question the outcome of the 147 pound champ fighting the LHW champ.

As far as Rocky vs Dawson, I'd go with Rocky.

But Vitali (and I am not a fan of his) took Lenox Lewis best bombs which cut him but he didn't go down. Do you really think Lewis didn't have at least as much power as Rocky?

The truth is that Vitali would be the one walking Rocky down and bombing him out of there. Rocky's footwork and ability to slip punches were not great. Old, well pastprime boxers weighing 180-190 dropped him. His 49 and 0 is highly suspect based on who he fought and who he didn't fight. That 0 can't be used to justify anything.

Based on who dropped Rocky, and everything else, Vitali wins by early KO.

I'm sorry but, Vit does not have Archie Moore power.

[RubenSonny]

Not saying I have seen no old school fighter who could compete with the best today but c'mon over all they are better.

Anything to back this claim up?

[Spray_resistant]

Anything to back this claim up?

Don't know where I would get any solid footage of something like that unless there is a time machine you know of that I don't with which I could use to take a modern fighter and pit him against an old timer.

[bklynboy]

Not saying I have seen no old school fighter who could compete with the best today but c'mon over all they are better.

Anything to back this claim up?

To continue what RubenSonny said:

Which of today's middleweights would have taken out Hagler or Hearns? or Nino Benvenuti or Emile Griffith? or SRR?

All props to Martinez but is he head and shoulders above the men I just mentioned? Hell no. Is Pavlik? Sturm? Oh, how about JCCJr? How would he do?

[Holtol]

never herd that one....but what about

"the bigger they are the harder they fall"

all this talk about klitschko standing toe to toe with marciano....he would have no leverage...to actaully punch and do damage with his punches he would have to make distance.....this isnt foreman and marciano where all forman has to do is swing and the punches will hurt....this is Vk vs marciano.....distance matters and marciano is going to have no problem closing the distance and smothering everything vk throws....

and really....not good at slipping? have you ever watched marciano fight?

Thats an old common saying. Any old saying there is a lot of wisdom and truth in otherwise how would it had survived so long. Anything that survives a long time has a lot of truth and reality in it. Just like chinese medicine or even wheels.

The bigger they are the harder they fall into punches also. And these big heavy people are still just made of flesh and bone.