Vitali Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Barn]

Interesting is right. People under-estimate how badly punching down at a target takes the power right out of your shots --- not that Klitschko is an especially big hitter anyway, & Marciano had a great chin, but if anyone thinks the size disparity makes it all one way in Klitschko's favour, they should think again.

People also like to try their hand at criticising Marciano's opposition, but he has by far the edge when compared with Klitschko.

On the other hand, Klitschko does fight tall well, & even though I don't rate him nearly as highly as most people (he will always be over-rated to me), he has a strong case here. It would be interesting.

Marciano crouch further adds to the problem of punching down which I think is the main point in this bout.

[right_hand_lead]

I never dismiss Rocky's greatness. But these are two different weight classes. If you saw them stand face to face in a boxing ring, you would get a sick feeling that you were about to see a gross mismatch.

Finally some reason! I'm not even a big Vitali fan, but other than the massive size difference, Vitali would pound Rocky with heavy jabs and right hands until he folds.

Am I the only one that sees this?

[Barn]

Finally some reason! I'm not even a big Vitali fan, but other than the massive size difference, Vitali would pound Rocky with heavy jabs and right hands until he folds.

Am I the only one that sees this?

Yeah, size difference can work both ways, how far will Vitali's punches need to travel. Distance is directly proportional to time meaning more reaction time for the rock (Especially fighting out of his crouch). A lot of body punching will go on and unless Vitali forces a cut stoppage then Rock gets him late on an even scorecard.

[Holtol]

Finally some reason! I'm not even a big Vitali fan, but other than the massive size difference, Vitali would pound Rocky with heavy jabs and right hands until he folds.

Am I the only one that sees this?

Size advantage is mostly a placebo. Someone like Marciano was not mind fcked like many people are these days. He would not see Vitali as being to big for him to beat and thats one reason he would beat Vitali.

Theres to many people like you saying that guys like Vitali are to big, and many boxers and athletes beleive it and thats why they lose. A large % of sports are mental. If a boxer does not believe in himself he will be hard pressed to win. Plus the big man has the placebo advantage now days. This would not happen to Marciano though because he did not believe that people were to big for him to beat. If he believed that he would have droped down to LH.



His punch was powerful enough to spot lift 1000 pounds 1 foot off the ground. I had someone in the Tua vs The Greats thread try to tell me he only punched at 1000 psi lol. It was not a psi test they did on Marciano, a punch that has enough power to knock 1000 pounds 1 foot into the air is a lot more then 1000 psi.

[BigStereotype]

I like this matchup, the Rock's tenaciousness and power against Vitali's awkwardness and size...This is obviously a very high contact matchup and, even though Vitali is a bad, tough, gritty dude, I think Rock stops him. It'll be bloody, it'll be violent, but Rocky would pound such a heavy cadence on Vitali's body that he couldn't stand up by the end.

[right_hand_lead]

Size advantage is mostly a placebo. Someone like Marciano was not mind fcked like many people are these days. He would not see Vitali as being to big for him to beat and thats one reason he would beat Vitali.

Theres to many people like you saying that guys like Vitali are to big, and many boxers and athletes beleive it and thats why they lose. A large % of sports are mental. If a boxer does not believe in himself he will be hard pressed to win. Plus the big man has the placebo advantage now days. This would not happen to Marciano though because he did not believe that people were to big for him to beat. If he believed that he would have droped down to LH.



His punch was powerful enough to spot lift 1000 pounds 1 foot off the ground. I had someone in the Tua vs The Greats thread try to tell me he only punched at 1000 psi lol. It was not a psi test they did on Marciano, a punch that has enough power to knock 1000 pounds 1 foot into the air is a lot more then 1000 psi.

I'm the last person that would ever think size is everything. The same reason I never expected Margarito or Cotto to beat Pac just on size. It's about skill. We could debate all day about this because it'll never happen, but with Vitali's good chin, tall stance, powerful jab/right, I don't see anything but a decision/KO for Vitali.

People keep saying Vitali has to punch down, but how hard will it be for Rocky to punch up at a 6-8 fighter that fights tall?

Disclaimer: I'm not a big Vitali/Rocky fan.

[BigStereotype]

I'm the last person that would ever think size is everything. The same reason I never expected Margarito or Cotto to beat Pac just on size. It's about skill. We could debate all day about this because it'll never happen, but with Vitali's good chin, tall stance, powerful jab/right, I don't see anything but a decision/KO for Vitali.

People keep saying Vitali has to punch down, but how hard will it be for Rocky to punch up at a 6-8 fighter that fights tall?

Disclaimer: I'm not a big Vitali/Rocky fan.

Yeah, I don't like Rocky's ability to hit the chin, especially because he fought almost doubled over. Which is why he goes hard at the body. I can't even imagine taking Suzy Q to the solar plexus over and over...

[GF of Boxing]

Finally some reason! I'm not even a big Vitali fan, but other than the massive size difference, Vitali would pound Rocky with heavy jabs and right hands until he folds.

Am I the only one that sees this?

No. You have a fighter that stood 5'10" 187lbs and the other fighter 6'7"1/2 249lbs. I just don't see how Rocky could with stand the blows from a guy that size. Rocky was very limited when it came to footwork, defense, and skill. But what made him great was even with his limited tools he was still able to get the job done. Rocky greatest attribute was his determination, timing, and power. But even against Vitali who would outweigh him by over 60 pounds would defeat Marciano. I know the Marciano fans don't want to hear this but if you sit back and look at it from an unbiased neutral stand point you have to agree to.

[Barn]

I'm the last person that would ever think size is everything. The same reason I never expected Margarito or Cotto to beat Pac just on size. It's about skill. We could debate all day about this because it'll never happen, but with Vitali's good chin, tall stance, powerful jab/right, I don't see anything but a decision/KO for Vitali.

People keep saying Vitali has to punch down, but how hard will it be for Rocky to punch up at a 6-8 fighter that fights tall?

Disclaimer: I'm not a big Vitali/Rocky fan.

To use metaphors he will **** that drum.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

No. You have a fighter that stood 5'10" 187lbs and the other fighter 6'7"1/2 249lbs. I just don't see how Rocky could with stand the blows from a guy that size. Rocky was very limited when it came to footwork, defense, and skill. But what made him great was even with his limited tools he was still able to get the job done. Rocky greatest attribute was his determination, timing, and power. But even against Vitali who would outweigh him by over 60 pounds would defeat Marciano. I know the Marciano fans don't want to hear this but if you sit back and look at it from an unbiased neutral stand point you have to agree to.

Klitschko just flat-out isn't a puncher, though. His brother, yes, but size doesn't mean all that much if you don't know how to properly generate power, & Klitschko simply does not. He doesn't have that talent, & his actual punching technique is infamously poor. When you throw in how deep he's throwing down at a sub-6' rival who is fighting out of a crouch, I just cannot see this argument that Klitschko is going to badly batter & bruise Marciano.

If Klitschko wins (& he may very well), it's a decision all the way based on fighting tall well & leaning on Marciano, in addition to using his jab as much as he can. I don't think he'd get near to stopping Marciano.