Ricardo Lopez and Salvador Sanchez

[RubenSonny]

I never had an issue with saying that Nelson was not properly prepared for Sanchez. because its true.

me bringing up amateur records and garbage at this point is to debate the experience levels of Nelson to Hopkins. Hopkins was not more experienced than Nelson jsut because he fought 11 more fights over bums as a pro. Nelson was the more accomplished amateur and had Hopkins had fought no better competition than Nelson had as a professional.

Nelson looked just as good or better than Hopkins in their respective first title challenges and both are ATGs, so I find the wins comparable. Again, dont you think that the version of Nelson that Sanchez fought would have beaten Gomez?

I think Hopkins had more fights at a slightly better level and therefore the more experienced fighter, plus he was going up against a lesser established fighter than Nelson.

We will never know, I think Nelson was an absolute beast and I put a huge amount of stock into intangibles, the real difference between good and great fighters for me, and Nelson had every intangible of the greats in abundance and this was evident in the Sanchez fight and why I give him credit. Having said that, you simply cannot ignore the horrible circumstance Nelson was in, if he fought Gomez and beat him instead like you say he would and Gomez was kept in the same regard as he was now I would call him overrated without a doubt (elite fighters shouldn't lose to novices in bad conditions). I don't think it really matters and its hugely subjective anyway, its all speculation, we honestly don't know how good Sanchez was (of course I still think he is an ATG), him dying shortly after doesn't help things either, I've just tried to keep this objective and I stated all the facts and that's why I don't think its a very good win.

[Steak]

well, we'll leave it at this then: it was at least a somewhat good win for Sanchez, but definitely can not be considered a win over the best version of Nelson.

fair enough?

[RubenSonny]

well, we'll leave it at this then: it was at least a somewhat good win for Sanchez, but definitely can not be considered a win over the best version of Nelson.

fair enough?

Yeah, I can admittedly be a bit touchy when it comes to this subject.

[Steak]

Yeah, I can admittedly be a bit touchy when it comes to this subject.

nah, its all good fun, otherwise we wouldnt bother arguing on the internet. No one ever ends up changing their mind, after all.

we clash heads a lot on subjects, but I respect your boxing knowledge more than most the people on this website.

[RubenSonny]

nah, its all good fun, otherwise we wouldnt bother arguing on the internet. No one ever ends up changing their mind, after all.

we clash heads a lot on subjects, but I respect your boxing knowledge more than most the people on this website.

True.

Yeah of course, I can't remember the last time we agreed on something and likewise.