Best attributes in each weight class

[SCtrojansbaby]

One tough win against a fighter with no discernible skills, 0 handspeed and 0 power. A world class fighter would have dismantled that kid.

The Pitlua fight is a good example. I think that Valero was certainly a phenomenal puncher. He could have been more than that, but I don't think he was tested against good enough competition to really say that he has top 3 lightweight power. Duran, Armstrong, Mosley, Arguello, Corrales all had clearly better power, in my opinion, because they showed it against better opponents.

JMM must be beyond awful he lost to a guy nobody has ever heard of.

Valero showed his power against Pitalua who has an elite chin. Also Vicente Mosquera the guy who gave Valero by far his toughest fight was a top prospect until Valero ruined him. Not his fault Valero had that effect.

[BigStereotype]

JMM must be beyond awful he lost to a guy nobody has ever heard of.

Valero showed his power against Pitalua who has an elite chin. Also Vicente Mosquera the guy who gave Valero by far his toughest fight was a top prospect until Valero ruined him. Not his fault Valero had that effect.

That was in his first pro fight by DQ. I've never seen the fight (is it on film? I doubt it), but I've heard that the DQ was questionable.

As for Valero, I think we just disagree on exactly how devastating his power was proven to be.

[RubenSonny]

I like most of your picks except one...

Edwin Valero? Really? I liked it until the DeMarco fight, which was definitely an attrition stoppage against a guy who is ten shades of awful. He was a ****er, but a bigger hitter than Mosley or Arguello?

Other than that, I think everyone rates Pryor as a JWW or WW but looks good.

He came up as a lightweight and moved up to junior welterweight because he couldn't get a title shot.

[RubenSonny]

Lightweight
Power: Armstrong, Gans
Hand Speed: Camacho
Ring Generalship: Whitaker
Chin: Duran
Heart: Corrales
Workrate: Armstrong
Combinations: Armstrong, Marquez
Footwork: Whitaker

[StarshipTrooper]

then I don't know what all time great power is.

Bingo! There's your answer!

[Steak]

He came up as a lightweight and moved up to junior welterweight because he couldn't get a title shot.

well, he beat no one of note at lightweight, he shouldnt have gotten a title shot.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Lightweight
Power: Armstrong, Gans
Hand Speed: Camacho
Ring Generalship: Whitaker
Chin: Duran ?????
Heart: Corrales
Workrate: Armstrong
Combinations: Armstrong, Marquez
Footwork: Whitaker

Duran got put down a few times by DeJesus? Mosley Chavez and Camacho all have far better chins IMO

[RubenSonny]

well, he beat no one of note at lightweight, he shouldnt have gotten a title shot.

I might've got confused with that, I think he moved up because no one (contenders) would fight him.

[KO'er]

Heavyweight

Power: George Foreman
Hand Speed: Mike Tyson
Ring Generalship: Muhammad Ali
Chin: Muhammad Ali
Heart: Evander Holyfield
Workrate: Joe Frazier
Combinations: Joe Louis

Didn't want to give Ali too much lol. Him and Tyson are very similar in handspeed but I gave the edge to Tyson this time cos of this.