Tua vs. The Greats

[mickey malone]

tua had decent enough handspeed.

it was his footwork that was kinda slow. especially after he blew up to 240-250 lbs.

Lightning quick left hook, quick enough to even double and tripple it up on occasions. Wasn't it his fight with Ibeabuchi that held a record for the most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight?

[Vadrigar.]

no one is overrating him.

we're not even rating anybody here.

we're talking head to head matchups.

I'm speaking generaly, but in h2h he loses to every opponent you listed. If he'd beat Lennox it would be different.

[young_robbed]

no one is overrating him.

we're not even rating anybody here.

we're talking head to head matchups.

you're overrating him by actually picking him over all time greats simple as that

[Left Hook Tua]

i think the main thing that this guy is forgetting is that tua wasn't even a champion and never lost miserably to most top fighters he fought if he wasnt even a champ in his era how is he going to beat most of these guys who are all time greats and some even regained the title numerous times its simple they went to the top and beat elite opposition tua couldnt beat byrd ibeabuchi lewis and rahman

i don't think anyone is forgetting tua has never been a champion.

titles add to one's resume , it doesn't mean you can't fight because you don't have one.

styles matter. size matters. attributes matter.

it's something a few people on here that are kinda ignorant don't seem to understand.

these people seem to think "oh this guy is an atg! no way can tua be competitive"

it doesn't work that way.

you need to know how a fighter fights. how the styles matchup.

if you don't have an opinion on how certain fights will go , see your way out of this thread.

[Left Hook Tua]

you're overrating him by actually picking him over all time greats simple as that

some of those all time greats are small.

some of those all time greats have bad chins.

some of those all time greats have the wrong style.


do you understand that?

if all you have is "those guys are atg!" , see your way out of this thread.

if you have something to offer , post how you think certain matchups would go.

[StarshipTrooper]

and how much speed do you think tua will need to catch the speedy marciano? the slick frazier? the dancing jack johnson?


stepped up in class? as in just lennox lewis right? one fight.


because byrd and ike is pretty much in the same class as guys like maskaev , izon , oquendo , rahman. that level.

and he got a few wins against that "class" of opponents.

And he LOST to Byrd and Ibeabuchi and was getting embarressed by the aweful Rahman. Maskaev, Izon, and Oquendo? Those guys were fringe contenders at best.

Frazier certainly had more footspeed than Tua. Not to mention both Frazier and Marciano were better at those things that are usually touted as Tua's strengths. If you knew anything of Johnson you'd know you don't have to "dance" to be hard to hit. Hell, Chris Byrd (who Tua LOST to) made a career of standing right in front of opponents and making them miss.

Poet

[Left Hook Tua]

some of you guys are not very bright.

this thread is not about "who is greater?"

it's about styles matchups.

tua while being a mediocre talent has intangibles like chin and durability and power that could be a problem for fighters that are much greater than him.

that's the topic.

i find interesting to see how people value such things as chin and power.


talent and technical skills doesn't always win , folks. styles and other intangibles do matter. we see it all the time in boxing.

[The Surgeon]

Lightning quick left hook, quick enough to even double and tripple it up on occasions. Wasn't it his fight with Ibeabuchi that held a record for the most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight?

Yeah it did Mickey. In fairness tho i think Ike did more of the throwing. Tua's stamina is beyond question

[young_robbed]

i don't think anyone is forgetting tua has never been a champion.

titles add to one's resume , it doesn't mean you can't fight because you don't have one.

styles matter. size matters. attributes matter.

it's something a few people on here that are kinda ignorant don't seem to understand.

these people seem to think "oh this guy is an atg! no way can tua be competitive"

it doesn't work that way.

you need to know how a fighter fights. how the styles matchup.

if you don't have an opinion on how certain fights will go , see your way out of this thread.

Yep all those 3 matter but the thing is Tua had strength, power, and durability. thats it. he was short and had a short reach and average handspeed.
Obviously tua is going to be competetive with a few of them but to pick him over Tyson, Holyfield, Louis, Frazier, and Bowe (which you did) is just ridiculous.
Tua is essentially a poorman's Tyson. Tyson will swarm all over him with combos and outbox and outspeed him over the distance for a late tko
Holyfield will outbox and outbrawl him outtimes to get a decision but takes some tua left hooks in the process still he wins a wide decision
Louis completely demolishes him with his superior speed, combos, heart, ring generalship, jab, and accuracy. late tko.
Frazier beats him in the trenches with his superior technical skill and defense. like the chuvalo fight but with more scarcy moments, and probably ending with a Frazier decision
Bowe uses his jab and combos to control Tua at a distance and brawls with him time to time to stop him late

[young_robbed]

some of those all time greats are small.

some of those all time greats have bad chins.

some of those all time greats have the wrong style.


do you understand that?

if all you have is "those guys are atg!" , see your way out of this thread.

if you have something to offer , post how you think certain matchups would go.

Okay then. Floyd went the distance with fighters like Bonavena, Ellis, smoked Cooper and Ingo, all solid and explosive punchers.
Tua wouldnt be any different and Floyd's handspeed and technical skill would see him through
Tua has the wrong style to beat these guys. An average speed slugger with power and durability. very one-demensional. seriously all these guys would beat Tua. Tua never beat GREAT fighters before like they did. that's the difference. they became champion. i know you're still putting him against the ATGs but the facts are hes not fit to be against them.

some of you guys are not very bright.

this thread is not about "who is greater?"

it's about styles matchups.

tua while being a mediocre talent has intangibles like chin and durability and power that could be a problem for fighters that are much greater than him.

that's the topic.

i find interesting to see how people value such things as chin and power.


talent and technical skills doesn't always win , folks. styles and other intangibles do matter. we see it all the time in boxing.

well chin and power dont win fights all the time either like tua found out on numerous occasions