whos better Ali or Marcianno?

[snap the jab]

I think that Ali was a much better all-around fighter but that Marciano could have beaten Ali if they had been contemporaries and had fought one another, since Ali always had trouble with really tough, hard-hitting pressure fighters (like Frazier) and that's what Marciano was...

[Warhawk46]

I am not in the majority here, but I actually think the Ali who fought against Frazier and Foreman would have been better able to beat Marciano. This Ali was much smarter and fought much better competition. He also was larger, stronger.

The 60s Ali was more fleet-foated; he kept up the dancing longer. However, he could be hit. To say that he was untouchable is dead wrong. In fact, Prime Tyson was harder to hit cleanly...and he fought better fighters than Prime Ali. Prime Ali was caught a few times, knocked down a couple times. He was visibly wobbled early in the fight against Doug Jones. He was knocked down against Henry Cooper (he might have lost that fight if Dundee didnt rip his glove).

However, he might decision Marciano, or most likely stop him on cuts. Marciano did cut easily. The thing was the refs knew he did and knew he could take the cuts and perform.

In this one it would depend on the referee and doctor. Otherwise, I could see Ali by decison or Marciano by late TKO.

[tommyhearns804]

Let's give Marciano alot of credit.He was a 180 pound fighter who fought 180 pound fighters and because of his skin color he is known as one of the best heavyweights of all time.But if you just read what i said you will realize Marciano was a small cruiserweight.Besides the fact the man never fought heavyweights Marciano also ducked any black fighter who could beat him unless they were pushing 40 or had more than 10 loses.
That should be enough to show sane boxing fans that he wasn't a much of a fighter and wasn't a great heavyweight period since he wasn't a heavyweight.Marciano was unskilled...If you want to talk about a fighter being slow then watch Marciano fight.You would think a 180 pound fighter would have some hand speed but Marciano was probably the slowest fighter who ever won a piece of any title.But again since he is white his talents are overrated.
Don't give me this bullshyt about this has nothing to do with race.You put Marciano up because he is white period.If Marciano was a black man or a mexican man or a puerto rican man you would be logical and say the man was small and never fought heavyweights so he isn't a heavyweight.The only thing Marciano proved in his career was if you are white people will worship you like you are god regardless of your skill level.
Forget the fact Ali is better Tyson is better,Foreman,Bowe,Lewis,Frazier,Norton,Holmes,Qu arry,Shavers,
Lyle,Vitali and Wladamir Klitckho,Peter,Ibeabuchi,Tua,Morrison,Bruno,Dougla s,Michael Grant ect ect ect ect ect ect are better than him.The only differce is most of the guys i named are black and all of them besides Ibeabuchi have a lost on their record because they actaully fought other 200 pound plus heavyweights.
Ali fought virtually every top fighter he could fight.Sure Norton beat him 3 times and a prime Frazier beat him.Sure Young,Shavers and Spinks beat the tar out of Ali but got robbed but at least he fought them.If you are a fan of boxing and not a fan of a skin color then you know Ali is superior to Marciano in every way.This is from a man who hates Ali's guts but unlike you people I am not blinded by ******ity.If a fighter is better than another then he is better.If Marciano fighting 180 pound white fighters and ducking every black fighter who was in their primes means Marciano is overrated and not a heavyweight great then he isnt.Just live with it morons.

[hellfire508]

"Greatness" has alot to do with opposition. Ali may have lossed more than Marciano, however, he beat MUCH better opposition, than any fighter in history, in any weight class. He beat 3 top 10 heavyweights in: Foreman, Frazier, Liston a total of 5 times. He beat other greats such as Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley, Ernie Terrell, George Chuvalo, Ron Lyle, Eanrie Shavers, Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonanvena, Jimmy young, Henry Cooper...etc etc.

I think, that his resume alone puts Ali at number 1 in the ATG list. As the saying goes..."You show me someone who is undefeated, and ill show you someone who hasnt fought anybody." This doesnt apply so much to the Rock, because he beat the likes of Walcott, Charles and Moore. However, the overall resume just isnt the same. the era was weak in comparison to the 60s-70s.

[hellfire508]

I think that Ali was a much better all-around fighter but that Marciano could have beaten Ali if they had been contemporaries and had fought one another, since Ali always had trouble with really tough, hard-hitting pressure fighters (like Frazier) and that's what Marciano was...

Actually, that is not the type of fighter Ali struggled with. He struggled with fighters who applied a lot of pressure, crowding his style, and had a very strong lead jab, to get them inside. Frazier was an exception. Ali would have beaten Frazier easier in the late 60s, with his speed. Norton's style was the one that really gave Ali fits. Marciano applied the pressure, but IMO didn't have the jab required to back it up. He had a jab, yes, but it wasnt like a Holmes or nNorton jab that troubled Ali.

In a head to head matchup, I would pick Ali over any heavyweight in history, and i can see him stopping Marciano on cuts, or by a wide decision.

[marvdave]

Ali wins an easy decision....I love the rock, but he couldn't do anything against Ali.....I don't care what the computer says

[J !]

jesus its not even a close comparison Marciano along with dempsety are two of the most over ratd heavyweight greats in history.

Im not saying they werent good but **** me you take a close look at the careers of both and you will realise, that Marciano may have been undefeated but fought bums for 80 percent of his career, Demspey never fought the best coloured fighters out there and got beat by naturally much lighter man in Tunney twice.

Always makes me larf that folk condemn the likes of lewis then completely **** themsleves over by having the likes of Demspey and MArciano in the top ten.

based on errr ..well what everyone else says, what a bunch of sheep.

Marciano while unbeaten only had 7 fights at world champ level his boggest win being against an ancient Joe Louis an ancient Jersey Joe and an even more ancient Ezzard charles, then he took on Don ****ell who was British level at best and got dunmped by 410 year old Mongoose in the second before managing to win, i mean come on talk about fighters being over the hill MArciano got em all at the right time. Charles, Louis and Moore at their peak kick the **** out of marciano. If you actually look at Marciano's record its piss ****ing poor.

Dempsey avoided all the decent coloured opposition and got beat up by an ex middleweight in Tunney.

[kapersky]

this thread prove how overrated and how blinded marcianos fans is.
he was champion for like 3-4 years and defeated those or where wasted up and had a lot of losses(prove they been beated before) did marciano beat anyone with fraziers or foremans skills? stop lying to youself. he is definetly on top10 thanks to his era and merit. we have seen guy like him many times but they just didnt had thy luck to fight opponent like marciano.i have seen like 10 of marcianos fights. i couldnt see any solid jabs like holmes, or going distance, it was pure streetfighting. no skills or anything. lewis,holmes and ali they had good jab and would go distance and eventually blow marciano up.

[butterfly1964]

Are you seroius? That should not even be a question. Marciano in his prime couldn't beat Ali in his prime for mainly one reason. He wouldn't be able to hit him. That is why no body in Ali's prime could have beat him. The guy was too fast. At that time he didn't need to learn to take a punch. Ali's left jab was the only thing Rocky would see.

Another thing I might add is that Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) was 6' 3 1/2", 210lbs., and had an 83 inch reach(the longest reach of all great boxing champs in history). Rocky Marciano was 5' 10", 185lbs. and had a 67 inch reach lol! On paper that fight would look like a joke!

[jekdempxy]

Is that a joke???

Of Kourse Marciano is better man.Didnīt u see the komputer fight???A guy that was a sample of Marciano (Joe Frazier) beat Ali`s but!!!Why kompare them???Do u think Ali with all bobin and weavin could take the most powerfull boxer of all time???