Hopkins and Hagler:Grading their wins over smaller opponents

[Toney616]

Hagler vs Hearns
Hagler vs Duran
Hopkins vs Oscar
Hopkins vs Tito

Are these A,B or C level wins? Please explain your reasoning

[Vadrigar.]

1. A
2. A
3. B
4. C

[kadyo's]

I would rate it as A or B since we are comparing only two great fighters. I say A for Hagler and B for for bhop mainly because hearns and duran became champs at higher weights. On the other hand oscar regressed while tito, damn what did tito do after the WW? lol

How are you my man?

[Toney616]

Hagler vs Hearns

1. A

This was Hearns first fight at mw, he would go on to beat Roldan, but that was much later
Hagler vs Duran

2. A

Duran would get a win over Barkley, proving he was competitive at the weight class, but he didnt do enough to be considered elite, at mw

3. B

Oscar wasnt very good at mw, even though his win over Sturm was debatable he did beat a decent mw

4. C

Why so low?

[Toney616]

I would rate it as A or B since we are comparing only two great fighters. I say A for Hagler and B for for bhop mainly because hearns and duran became champs at higher weights. On the other hand oscar regressed while tito, damn what did tito do after the WW? lol?

If I understand you correctly you have:
1 A
2 A
3 B
4 B
Do you consider Hearns and Duran to be elite fighters at mw?

How are you my man?

I'm ok. Thanks for asking
How's life treating you?

[Vadrigar.]

Hagler vs Hearns

This was Hearns first fight at mw, he would go on to beat Roldan, but that was much later
Hagler vs Duran

Duran would get a win over Barkley, proving he was competitive at the weight class, but he didnt do enough to be considered elite, at mw

Oscar wasnt very good at mw, even though his win over Sturm was debatable he did beat a decent mw

Why so low?

I put it this way. Hagler knocked out so manny middleweights, yet a lightweight Duran took him to a split desicion. That proves Duran is a great fighter.

Sorry I made a mistake. Titio should be B and oscar a C.

[kadyo's]

Hagler vs Hearns

This was Hearns first fight at mw, he would go on to beat Roldan, but that was much later
Hagler vs Duran

Duran would get a win over Barkley, proving he was competitive at the weight class, but he didnt do enough to be considered elite, at mw

Oscar wasnt very good at mw, even though his win over Sturm was debatable he did beat a decent mw

Why so low?

Oscars win against sturm was a farce, it was a gift decison for the hopkins fight while hopkins versus tito is a mismatch looking at hindsight. I don't know man, tito won the MW championship via joppy who KO'd duran but joppy looks like a WW. I don't know but that's how I feel.

[Toney616]

I put it this way. Hagler knocked out so many middleweights, yet a lightweight Duran took him to a split desicion. That proves Duran is a great fighter.

Duran was a great fighter, no doubt, his fight with Barkley is one of my favorite fights

Sorry I made a mistake. Titio should be B and oscar a C.

Doesn't Tito's win over Joppy mean anything to you?

[kadyo's]

If I understand you correctly you have:
1 A
2 A
3 B
4 B
Do you consider Hearns and Duran to be elite fighters at mw?

I'm ok. Thanks for asking
How's life treating you?

Elite middleweights? no not at all. Hearns is an elite WW and Duran is arguably the p4p #1 LW of all time but I think both won legit WW belts during the time they were considered past their primes. On the other hand oscar didn't really win it against sturm and joppy is a weak MW champ.

Life is good my man, can't ask for more.

[Toney616]

Oscars win against sturm was a farce, it was a gift decison for the hopkins fight

True. The question is how do we grade gift decisions, do we ignore them or accept them?

while hopkins versus tito is a mismatch looking at hindsight.

I watched the fight years after it happened, so I can only comment on it from hindsight. One guy looked like a jmw the other guy like a full blown lhw

I don't know man, tito won the MW championship via joppy who KO'd duran but joppy looks like a WW. I don't know but that's how I feel.

I think the Joppy win means he could compete at mw, although it should be pointed out that Joppy was nothing special. His best wins are:
Duran (shot)
Eastman(journeyman)