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Originally posted by CarlosG815 View PostNo, it is not Pacquiaos past successes but the fact that the fighters he is taking on are shot in my opinion. Those are guys who shouldn't be fighting anymore. Any good fighter would dismantle those guys int he same fashion. Sergio Martinez would not only beat the two guys Pacquiao beat, but he would probably knock them both out.
I think a straight comparison just on the class of fighters is not fair game here, & won't be unless Martinez is knocking men over at, say, Cruiserweight, because Pacquiao is making once-in-a-lifetime climbs in weight. Besides that, I don't believe Pavlik is at a significantly better stage in his career than Margarito is in his.
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Originally posted by Scott9945 View PostThat's a great pic. Monzon was absolutely out on his feet, but for some reason Briscoe froze and he was dominatated the rest of the fight.
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Originally posted by S.G. View PostThe fact is the Clottey and Margarito fight were foregone conclusions, and fights that no one particularly wanted or cared about before they were made.
I'm not going to punish him for being so good (those were a pair of excellent victories, I don't care what anybody has to say. Show me another guy going through the divisions like this who could do it), & I'm not going to say Martinez isn't deserving of FOTY. I'm simply saying to call it a foregone conclusion that Martinez is the choice, period, is putting too much emphasis on a fighter having a breakthrough year.
That's really what this was for Martinez --- a breakthrough year. The fact Pacquiao has already broken through & continues to brutalise rivals he frankly should have no business fighting (were it not for the fact he is the freak he is) does not diminish his results to me.
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Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda View PostSergio Martinez certainly would. Sergio Martinez, however, isn't a former Flyweight fighter. Sergio Martinez wasn't fighting at 130lbs. three years ago. Sergio Martinez hasn't moved through fighters ranked anywhere from #1 to #6 or 7 in their division in one higher weightclass after another.
I think a straight comparison just on the class of fighters is not fair game here, & won't be unless Martinez is knocking men over at, say, Cruiserweight, because Pacquiao is making once-in-a-lifetime climbs in weight. Besides that, I don't believe Pavlik is at a significantly better stage in his career than Margarito is in his.
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Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda View PostSergio Martinez certainly would. Sergio Martinez, however, isn't a former Flyweight fighter. Sergio Martinez wasn't fighting at 130lbs. three years ago. Sergio Martinez hasn't moved through fighters ranked anywhere from #1 to #6 or 7 in their division in one higher weightclass after another.
I think a straight comparison just on the class of fighters is not fair game here, & won't be unless Martinez is knocking men over at, say, Cruiserweight, because Pacquiao is making once-in-a-lifetime climbs in weight. Besides that, I don't believe Pavlik is at a significantly better stage in his career than Margarito is in his.
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anyone else plan on watching Holyfield this year? Word is it, that if he gets passed Williams and Nielson, he'll get a shot at the WBC title.
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Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Posti agree with you, The sanctioning bodies are the ones we must blame.Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View PostMargarito was ranked No1 at 154lbs
Who did he beat to get the number 1 spot?
When was his last ranked fight there before jumping directly from a KO loss and cheating scandal to the number 1 spot directly over everyone that had been ranked number one through ten and had actually fought for those spots?
Which champion, or number 1, 2, 3 fighter did he beat to get ranked at all?
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