Tyson vs. THE GREATS Pt. I

[Muchmoore]

Like I explained earlier, Tyson would underestimate Joe's right hand like Quarry did in their second fight. And Joe punished Quarry with that right hand. Tyson would realize that the right hand is doing a hell of a lot of damage, and would cover up the right side more, leaving some room for the deadly hooks to come in.

Theres a big difference between Jerry Quarry and Mike Tyson.

[tommyhearns804]

You really can't have a decent convo with Muchmoore Skydog if you mention Tyson to him.
In his head Tyson never lost.In his mind Tyson could do anything.All Tyson fan boys are like this.Foreman has a great chin Tyson does not.Foreman showed he could knock out "World Class fighters" like Frazier,Norton and Lyle and Tyson has not.Tysons defense was good when?When he was fighing guys who didn't fight back.One you hit Tyson one time his head movements went out the window.Besides Lyle and Ali nobody else in Foremans prime really landed anything and when they did Foreman walk right through it.
Can you imagine Tyson being hit by Foreman for 7 rounds and not being knocked out?I doubt it.Morrison hits harder than Tyson does Muchmooore again just read what Ruddock said about Morrison and Tyson and then look at the results.Morrison knocked out Ruddock in 6 rounds which is quicker than Tyson did it.And did Morrison hurt Foreman?Nope and this was a weaker chin slower older Foreman.The younger one had a much better chin and was alot stronger.Tyson would be crushed like the coward he is.
Jack Johnson a good defensive fighter?Since when?fighters at that era threw one punch and then grabbed.How hard is it to avoid one punch at a time from the level of fighters he fought?Jack Johnson is a complete bum.The man had a fragile chin.He was knocked down and out by 170 pound fighter.Johnson avoided fighting any of the top black fighters once he got the title.Do you think he could just hold Tyson and smile and wear Tyson down?I doubt it.Tyson would jump all over this guy and knocked him out in no more than 2 rounds.
It is still amusing to me when ever you talk about Tyson some moron will bring up well before he lost Rooney nobody could beat him.Who the *** did Tyson fight at that time to began with?Nobody but bums.So because Tyson beat up bums when Cus was alive and Rooney was his trainer that means he could never be beat huh?I could say well before Foreman got a big ego and fought Ali he was unbeatable because he never lost.I could say before Ali fought Frazier he was unbeatable because he never lost up into that point.The same with Frazier annd Foreman.Every fight can be beat and will be beat if they fight good opponents.Tyson fought nobody up until he fought Holyfield.Douglas was nothing special.He just showed if you had any skill at all and tried to use them against Tyson you will kick his ass.Holyfield showed how physically weak Tyson is.Anybody who tried to muscle Tyson around could.Rooney and Cus can't teach the ability to take a punch or have heart.
Anyway i everthing you said about Tyson vs Frazier is right on SkyDog so keep up the good work.

[ricecrispi]

I agree with Hearns and Tyson fought alot of bums early in his career and loss against anyone who was top level Heavy. The problem is Tyson's peak way to soon and he was a shot fighter by the time he fought Ruddock. Tyson got so many 1 rd Ko's against 2nd competition and that was really Tyson's biggest enemy. Realistically, how many 1 rd or 2nd round KO's you going to get against top 10 heavies? Even at that, how many of the top 10 heavies who get knock down by Tyson are going to get up and beat up Tyson? Do you think Tyson will get up after a knockdown. NO. Still Tyson had sick skills and huge potential if he was develop further. Same for Foreman but that is how history goes.

Mercer said Morrison hit the hardest too so I guess Morrison was hardest puncher of all the heavies in the 90's and today?

[Muchmoore]

You really can't have a decent convo with Muchmoore Skydog if you mention Tyson to him.
In his head Tyson never lost.In his mind Tyson could do anything.All Tyson fan boys are like this.Foreman has a great chin Tyson does not.Foreman showed he could knock out "World Class fighters" like Frazier,Norton and Lyle and Tyson has not.Tysons defense was good when?When he was fighing guys who didn't fight back.One you hit Tyson one time his head movements went out the window.Besides Lyle and Ali nobody else in Foremans prime really landed anything and when they did Foreman walk right through it.
Can you imagine Tyson being hit by Foreman for 7 rounds and not being knocked out?I doubt it.Morrison hits harder than Tyson does Muchmooore again just read what Ruddock said about Morrison and Tyson and then look at the results.Morrison knocked out Ruddock in 6 rounds which is quicker than Tyson did it.And did Morrison hurt Foreman?Nope and this was a weaker chin slower older Foreman.The younger one had a much better chin and was alot stronger.Tyson would be crushed like the coward he is.
Jack Johnson a good defensive fighter?Since when?fighters at that era threw one punch and then grabbed.How hard is it to avoid one punch at a time from the level of fighters he fought?Jack Johnson is a complete bum.The man had a fragile chin.He was knocked down and out by 170 pound fighter.Johnson avoided fighting any of the top black fighters once he got the title.Do you think he could just hold Tyson and smile and wear Tyson down?I doubt it.Tyson would jump all over this guy and knocked him out in no more than 2 rounds.
It is still amusing to me when ever you talk about Tyson some moron will bring up well before he lost Rooney nobody could beat him.Who the *** did Tyson fight at that time to began with?Nobody but bums.So because Tyson beat up bums when Cus was alive and Rooney was his trainer that means he could never be beat huh?I could say well before Foreman got a big ego and fought Ali he was unbeatable because he never lost.I could say before Ali fought Frazier he was unbeatable because he never lost up into that point.The same with Frazier annd Foreman.Every fight can be beat and will be beat if they fight good opponents.Tyson fought nobody up until he fought Holyfield.Douglas was nothing special.He just showed if you had any skill at all and tried to use them against Tyson you will kick his ass.Holyfield showed how physically weak Tyson is.Anybody who tried to muscle Tyson around could.Rooney and Cus can't teach the ability to take a punch or have heart.
Anyway i everthing you said about Tyson vs Frazier is right on SkyDog so keep up the good work.

Morrison knocked out Ruddock in 6 rounds due to Ruddock being out of shape and past his prime and when Tyson fought him Ruddock was in his prime and Mike was declining.

Rooney and Cus couldnt teach Tyson heart? But Tyson was much more motivated when he had them as his trainer then without them and would fight with more intensity and show more heart.

You said Tyson is physically weak, you have to be kidding about that. You dont have a knockout percentage like that and be physically weak.

Tyson hasnt beat world class fighters? He happended to beat 12 former champions in his time, so i dont know how you can say he never beat a world class fighter.

[XionComrade]

Rooney and Cus couldnt teach Tyson heart? But Tyson was much more motivated when he had them as his trainer then without them and would fight with more intensity and show more heart.

You said Tyson is physically weak, you have to be kidding about that. You dont have a knockout percentage like that and be physically weak.

Tyson hasnt beat world class fighters? He happended to beat 12 former champions in his time, so i dont know how you can say he never beat a world class fighter.

All true!

Tommy what THE **** did muchmoore do? Did he **** your mom? Why do you have to bad mouth him in everyone of your posts?

Well anyway, yes Tyson was good, expecially with the Catskill connection behind him. He was a fighter out of the 70's in the 80's, bad for Tyson, bad for everyone else...

I know Foreman would KO Tyson in one round, Tyson doesn't have but half the chin that Joe had, good chin, but Joe's was the best. Tyson gets in some good punches in that fight though, just like Joe did, and Foreman misses alot of shots. Tyson takes 20 shots from Foreman at best before he is out, he really wouldn't do a whole lot worse than Frazier.

I see the Tyson Frazier fight being a all-time best, two aggressors, both with good chins, both very aggressive, man at the possibilities! Tyson would get frustrated though, he never goes to the body, if he did he would have been just ****ing awesome, he headhunted WAY to much. And you can't headhunt with joe Frazier, it just doesn't work that way, Joe by late KO.

[Muchmoore]

All true!

Tommy what THE **** did muchmoore do? Did he **** your mom? Why do you have to bad mouth him in everyone of your posts?

Well anyway, yes Tyson was good, expecially with the Catskill connection behind him. He was a fighter out of the 70's in the 80's, bad for Tyson, bad for everyone else...

I know Foreman would KO Tyson in one round, Tyson doesn't have but half the chin that Joe had, good chin, but Joe's was the best. Tyson gets in some good punches in that fight though, just like Joe did, and Foreman misses alot of shots. Tyson takes 20 shots from Foreman at best before he is out, he really wouldn't do a whole lot worse than Frazier.

I see the Tyson Frazier fight being a all-time best, two aggressors, both with good chins, both very aggressive, man at the possibilities! Tyson would get frustrated though, he never goes to the body, if he did he would have been just ****ing awesome, he headhunted WAY to much. And you can't headhunt with joe Frazier, it just doesn't work that way, Joe by late KO.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Tyson had a better chin that Joe. Frazier never had a good chin, but he made it up with heart. Frazier was dropped by Oscar Bonavena twice, and Foreman destroyed him. Tyson was never dropped by a single punch or a flash knockdown punch either. It was always after absorbing tons of punishment like in the Lewis right.

[XionComrade]

No, Frazier had a supperb chin, probably the best in the Sport's History, it was ammazing! That's what it takes to get up from 6 George Foreman Brutal KDs, a deathwish, and a awesome chin!

Tyson's balancedness(Is that a word?) is what made him so freaking awesome...Above average Chin, he could take a punch and keep coming. Power that is surpassed by few(Conney,Foreman,Shavers all hit harder!) Incredible hand speed, super human aggression and great footwork.

Certainly he is not the best in any of these catergories, but excells in them all anyway, he may be lacking in Willpower though in his prime!

Yes Tyson could absorb tons of punishment, no doubt about that, but the ammount that Frazier could take was just plain inhumman, easily if it was anyone else in the ring taking the beating that he took from Foreman they would be dead, period, no hospital or anything, pronounced dead on the spot! Same goes for Tyson, he can't take that much punishment, only a handfull of people who ever lived could if even that!

The Frazier-Tyson fight would be great though, my mouth is watering just from the idea!!!! I can only think of two other people I would rather see Tyson fight, Don King, and that ***** James Butler!(Im watching the Butler Sucker Punch )

[Muchmoore]

No, Frazier had a supperb chin, probably the best in the Sport's History, it was ammazing! That's what it takes to get up from 6 George Foreman Brutal KDs, a deathwish, and a awesome chin!

Tyson's balancedness(Is that a word?) is what made him so freaking awesome...Above average Chin, he could take a punch and keep coming. Power that is surpassed by few(Conney,Foreman,Shavers all hit harder!) Incredible hand speed, super human aggression and great footwork.

Certainly he is not the best in any of these catergories, but excells in them all anyway, he may be lacking in Willpower though in his prime!

Yes Tyson could absorb tons of punishment, no doubt about that, but the ammount that Frazier could take was just plain inhumman, easily if it was anyone else in the ring taking the beating that he took from Foreman they would be dead, period, no hospital or anything, pronounced dead on the spot! Same goes for Tyson, he can't take that much punishment, only a handfull of people who ever lived could if even that!

The Frazier-Tyson fight would be great though, my mouth is watering just from the idea!!!! I can only think of two other people I would rather see Tyson fight, Don King, and that ***** James Butler!(Im watching the Butler Sucker Punch )

Frazier getting up from 6 knockdowns is HEART not chin.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol xion go **** yourself Muchmoore knows how i think now and i am nothing i said bashed him.I welcomed him back to this post because he said he wasnt coming back because you people were idiots.And he was going to just stick to making post on the ******** boxing forum.
And Muchmoore if Tyson wasn't physically weak then why did Holyfield out muscle him?Why was Tyson so easy to tie up?Punching power and physical strenght are different kid.Tommy Hearns could **** but wasn't physially strong.Ali was physically strong but wasn't much of a puncher.
The guys Tyson beat who had Titles were bums Much.Berbick=Bum.Spinks was a good light heavyweight but wasn't much as a heayvweight.Again when Tyson was with Rooney and Cus did he fight fighters like Ali,Norton,Frazier, or Lyle?He piled up a impressive record fighting who?Jeremy William is good a knocking out bums as well but when he faces good opponents he gets knocked out just like Tyson does.
Ruddock was past his prime when he fought Morrison?I doubt it and in any case he still said Morrison punched harder.Lewis fought Ruddock a few months after Tyson did and knocked him out in 2 rounds so logic would say Lewis hit harder.
Tyson could take alot of punishment?When was this?Holyfield knocked him out.A washed up past his prime weaker slower Holyfield.Holyfield knocked Tyson down with one punch and then stopped him.A prime Holyfield couldnt even knock down a old Foreman.A prime Holyfield couldnt even hurt a old Holmes.But yet he knocked out Tyson.Holyfield was never much of a puncher at heavyweight but he still knocked out Tyson which says alot about how weak Tysons chin is.
Douglas isnt much of a puncher.Who else did Douglas knock out?But again he was able to knock out Tyson i dont care if it took 1 punch or a 100 Douglas couldnt punch worth a damn.Even when Foreman was 48 he could take Briggs punches and we all know Briggs punches alot harder than Douglas which says alot for Foremans chin and the lack of chin for Tyson.
Briggs probably punches alot harder than Tyson.He could hurt Lewis with his punches something Tyson couldn't do.
Foreman misses alot of shots?Maybe Yuri Foreman but Foreman didnt miss to many punches.Unless you try to use well he did in the Ali fight so lets base his whole career on one lost.Because if you are going to do that then Tyson misses alot of punches because look at the Douglas fight.Foreman was much more realaxed than Tyson was usually.
Again Tyson had the power to knock out who?Low level fighters.Tons of fighters punched harder than Tyson did.Lewis,Foreman,Shavers,Bowe,Bruno,Tua,Lyle,Morr ison,Ibeabuchi probably the list goes on and on and on.Padding your record up against no name fighters isn't impressive.To be considered a hard puncher you need to knock out elite fighters or at least hurt elite fighters.Foreman did.Frazier did,Lewis did,Lyle did,Shavers did but Tyson did not.
Tyson would lose to both Foreman and Frazier by knockout.Most of the people here agree with me.

[Skydog]

Theres a big difference between Jerry Quarry and Mike Tyson.

I never said there wasn't. I just said Tyson would underestimate Joe's right hand like Quarry did. Hell, many people did. Many said "He's got a good left hook and that's it." But his right hand was killer. He nails Quarry with a right and it opens Quarry's eyebrow wide open. Just because Joe had the best left hook in boxing doesn't mean his right wasn't good.