Please Help! 1750-1800

[DarkTerror88]

Hey guys, im taking some American literature classes in a college type setting and i have to right a report of activities popular in the 1750-1800s in colonial America.

Do you people know about any bareknuckle brawling going on at that time period? Names would be a great help. Thanks a bunch guys!
Happy Thanksgiving!

[NChristo]

One of my friends is big on bare knuckle boxing, could try and see if I could get any information on some from that period for you.
Are you just looking for 1750 - 1800 or further into the 1800s ?.

Some names worth looking in too:

Daniel Mendoza, one of if not the first too really incorporate defensive / modern techniques into boxing. One of the main Bare Knuckle boxing guys that really made an impact, should definitely look into him.

Tom Cribb, HOFer, don't know too much about him personally.

Jack Broughton, had his last fight in the 1750s not sure if that what you want, he's a big name though.

Paddington Tom Jones, he was elected into HOF this year.

[DarkTerror88]

One of my friends is big on bare knuckle boxing, could try and see if I could get any information on some from that period for you.
Are you just looking for 1750 - 1800 or further into the 1800s ?.

Some names worth looking in too:

Daniel Mendoza, one of if not the first too really incorporate defensive / modern techniques into boxing. One of the main Bare Knuckle boxing guys that really made an impact, should definitely look into him.

Tom Cribb, HOFer, don't know too much about him personally.

Jack Broughton, had his last fight in the 1750s not sure if that what you want, he's a big name though.

Paddington Tom Jones, he was elected into HOF this year.

My assignment is based on 1750-1800 so anything from those years.

And thanks for the information NChristo! I'll look into the guys you mentioned and give it a go.
Expect some green when i reload. Thanks again.

[hhascup]

The first bare-knuckle champion of England was James Figg, who claimed the title in 1719 and held it until his retirement in 1730. Other noted champions were Jack Broughton, Daniel Mendoza, Jem Belcher, Hen Pearce, John Gully, Tom Cribb, Tom Spring, Jem Ward, James Burke, William 'Bendigo' Thompson, Ben Caunt, Tom Sayers and Jem Mace.

Just click on any name for more information.

[Spartacus Sully]

Im not sure if there was very much bare knuckle boxing going on in early america the first American champion was john c heennan in 1850 ish.

[hhascup]

Im not sure if there was very much bare knuckle boxing going on in early america the first American champion was john c heennan in 1850 ish.

I see the John L. Sullivan belt. I have one of those in my collection. It's much heavier then all the other belts I have, and that includes the IBF, WBA, WBC and the WBO belts.

[StarshipTrooper]

The first bare-knuckle champion of England was James Figg, who claimed the title in 1719 and held it until his retirement in 1730. Other noted champions were Jack Broughton, Daniel Mendoza, Jem Belcher, Hen Pearce, John Gully, Tom Cribb, Tom Spring, Jem Ward, James Burke, William 'Bendigo' Thompson, Ben Caunt, Tom Sayers and Jem Mace.

Just click on any name for more information.

Great stuff as always!

[led]

download this ebook: http://books.google.com/books/pdf/Pa...KrV0UT_rr1Qg5A

you might get something useful

i dunno why it didnt work. try this again.
http://books.google.com/books/downlo...efOhw83X3hvP3w

try this one too. http://books.google.com/books/pdf/Pa...KrV0UT_rr1Qg5A

i think they work now.

[jose_palooka]

''i have to right a report of activities popular in the 1750-1800s in colonial America''

I do not believe boxing was legal in NYC or in any part of the Northeast (sorry, don't know at all about the South). If there were any fights at all, it was done underground in dives controlled by what were called ''Street Arabs''. However, this started insofar as I know after the 1840s with the immigration of Irish refugees. Gangsters such as the Dead Rabbits, Bowery Boys, Plug Uglies, controlled those dives.

Consider this blurb:

''The Dive: Birthplace of the Counterculture?
In colonial American dives, says Conroy, men and women could voice anti-authoritarian ideas and behave in unconventional ways. These taverns were the first public places where it was socially acceptable to question the authority of the government, the existing social structure, and the rigid moral code of the period. You might say it was the birthplace of the counterculture movement.

By the mid 1800’s, rowdy saloons, ******** houses and gin joints were called “dives” (or “dens,” “holes” and “dumps”) because they were often situated below street level in the basements of run-down houses in working class neighborhoods. Once patrons climbed those stairs down into the darkness, they could leave the conformist respectability of “above ground” values behind.

For the better part of two hundred years, dive bars have provided refuge to rebels, misfits and mavericks fleeing from the conformist ideals of the “respectable citizen.” Even today, the dive romanticizes a rebel culture of the “loner.” These rugged individualists were often heavy drinkers and troublemakers. From the Hell-raising saloon culture of the 1800s, to the Beats of the 1950s and the counterculture movement of the 1960s, the dive bar welcomed outlaws of all sorts, including drunks, addicts, and anyone looking to disassociate him/herself from traditional societal expectations. The dive offered sanctuary, both literally and figuratively: It was a place where people could hide from the wife, the boss, or the law while escaping the expectations of a polite society. ''

http://www.drunkard.com/issues/06_06..._of_dives.html

From my reading of NYC history, rat baiting, ****fights, and bull baiting were conducted in those dives. Club fights were held as well. But to the best of my knowledge there was no professional or professionally sanctioned fights.


See http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/law.htm for a historic listing of pro boxing rules. Note the dates and the fact that there appears to be no sanctioning authority during the period of interest in this discussion.

[DarkTerror88]

''i have to right a report of activities popular in the 1750-1800s in colonial America''

I do not believe boxing was legal in NYC or in any part of the Northeast (sorry, don't know at all about the South). If there were any fights at all, it was done underground in dives controlled by what were called ''Street Arabs''. However, this started insofar as I know after the 1840s with the immigration of Irish refugees. Gangsters such as the Dead Rabbits, Bowery Boys, Plug Uglies, controlled those dives.

Consider this blurb:

''The Dive: Birthplace of the Counterculture?
In colonial American dives, says Conroy, men and women could voice anti-authoritarian ideas and behave in unconventional ways. These taverns were the first public places where it was socially acceptable to question the authority of the government, the existing social structure, and the rigid moral code of the period. You might say it was the birthplace of the counterculture movement.

By the mid 1800’s, rowdy saloons, ******** houses and gin joints were called “dives” (or “dens,” “holes” and “dumps”) because they were often situated below street level in the basements of run-down houses in working class neighborhoods. Once patrons climbed those stairs down into the darkness, they could leave the conformist respectability of “above ground” values behind.

For the better part of two hundred years, dive bars have provided refuge to rebels, misfits and mavericks fleeing from the conformist ideals of the “respectable citizen.” Even today, the dive romanticizes a rebel culture of the “loner.” These rugged individualists were often heavy drinkers and troublemakers. From the Hell-raising saloon culture of the 1800s, to the Beats of the 1950s and the counterculture movement of the 1960s, the dive bar welcomed outlaws of all sorts, including drunks, addicts, and anyone looking to disassociate him/herself from traditional societal expectations. The dive offered sanctuary, both literally and figuratively: It was a place where people could hide from the wife, the boss, or the law while escaping the expectations of a polite society. ''

http://www.drunkard.com/issues/06_06..._of_dives.html

From my reading of NYC history, rat baiting, ****fights, and bull baiting were conducted in those dives. Club fights were held as well. But to the best of my knowledge there was no professional or professionally sanctioned fights.


See http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/law.htm for a historic listing of pro boxing rules. Note the dates and the fact that there appears to be no sanctioning authority during the period of interest in this discussion.

Although it was illegal in Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and New york, gouging was a popular form a bare knuckled fighting in the south (******ia and below).

Also i know of am American fighters who had success in English fighting.

A slave
Bill Richmond "The Black Terror" went "pro" in Britain in 1777, and was undefeated until 1805.