Harry Greb vs Ray Robinson.

[Barn]

At middleweight who wins this battle of the greats?

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Pretty hard to judge considering we have no fight footage of Greb.

Judging his style from the training footage of him we have, he looks sloppy, but that's only him joking-around for the camera, I guess.

Harry Greb, World Middleweight Boxing Champion 1923-1926, was the ever in your face nightmare, the supreme swarming style fighter. His Cyber Boxing Zone bio notes that "Greb was called “The Human Windmill” due to the constant flurries of punches he threw as well as the fast pace he kept throughout his fights." He had unending stamina, and he kept coming and you could not stop him. He had great hand speed and an iron chin. He was a whirlwind in action from the moment the opening bell rang. He could wear down any opponent given enough rounds. He sapped the energy out of his foes and battered them mercilessly from all directions. He was a ruthless master of infighting and was not adverse to using dirty tactics. Greb stayed in shaped by fighting often averaging about 22 fights a year, and in 1919 fought 45 times. At his peak he weighed between 158 and 165 pounds at 5 ft. 8in., and he often fought men who outweighed him by as much as 40 to 80 pounds. Many consider Greb as the greatest middleweight champion ever.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/greb.html

[Barn]

Pretty hard to judge considering we have no fight footage of Greb.

Judging his style from the training footage of him we have, he looks sloppy, but that's only him joking-around for the camera, I guess.





http://coxscorner.tripod.com/greb.html

Thanks.
Reports like that should give us an accurate reprasentation of how he would fight so it's possible to make a rought estimate on how the fight will turn out.

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Thanks.
Reports like that should give us an accurate reprasentation of how he would fight so it's possible to make a rought estimate on how the fight will turn out.

The question of Harry Greb's greatness cannot be disputed by the unbiased observer. His record is impeccable. The argument that one cannot know how good Greb was because there are no available films of him (except a training video) hold to an untenable argument. Historians and collectors of vintage films understand Greb's greatness based on his record and the many existing films of his opposition. There are films of Mike Gibbons, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jimmy Slattery, Mickey Walker, Bill Brennan and Gene Tunney, all outstanding fighters whom Greb bested. One can see how good these fighters were and know that Greb defeated them. Further there are the newspaper accounts, with some of the bigger fights featuring round by round descriptions of the action in the ring.



What really impresses me is he was able to beat the man in my sig, which I find incredible. We have footage of Tunney and he was an awesome fighter to say the least. Not to mention the size disparity. Tunney had atleast 5 inches in height over Greb.

Concerning a fantasy match with Sugar Ray; I can't really make an honest judgement, but based on film footage alone I would say Sugar Ray.

[Barn]

Even Dempsey couldn't beat Tunney at his own weight and Greb to do it with such a disadvantage in height and weight is as you say incredible, he was the only man to do so and most ringside observers felt he won the second fight also.
Tunney was a master boxer as was Sugar Ray (when he didn't get drawn in to brawls.)

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Even Dempsey couldn't beat Tunney at his own weight and Greb to do it with such a disadvantage in height and weight is as you say incredible, he was the only man to do so and most ringside observers felt he won the second fight also.
Tunney was a master boxer as was Sugar Ray (when he didn't get drawn in to brawls.)

I should add, Dempsey was past prime when Tunney defeated him.

Also, Greb was the much more experienced fighter when he met Tunney for the first time.

[Spartacus Sully]

we talking a 160 vs 160 or a prime vs prime?

nvm, at middle weight greb wins and possibly some follow up matches too

[NChristo]

There's no footage of Greb to make a accurate style analysis, we don't know what his weaknesses and strengths are other then he threw a lot of punches and had great footwork.

[Greatest1942]

I favour Greb...The man regularly fought LHW and heavy weights weighing between the the middle weight limit, was practically blind in a eye when he beat ATG greats , had incredible stamina and sheer guts...Yes there are no films of him and I am basing my comments on what I have read also on seeing some of his opponents like Tunney. Though you can never ever write off Robinson in a 5 fight series I see Greb edging out Rbinson 3-2 though I won't bet anything on it.