Heavyweight Champions - Past vs Present

[sonnyboyx2]

i have selected 3 heavyweight champion from past era's in Gene Tunney from the 1920s.. Max Bear from the 1930s & Ezzard Charles from the 1950s and we are going to hypothetically match them against the recent opponents of the current claimants to the Heavyweight crown, David Haye, Vitali Klitschko & Wlad Klitschko... Their opponents being:

vs Albert Sosnowski
vs Kevin Johnso
vs Audley Harrison
vs Eddie Chambers
vs Ruslan Chagaev
vs John Ruiz
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How do you see these fights going:

[r.burgundy]

dont you think thats a bit to much fights to analyze?

[mrboxer]

i have selected 3 heavyweight champion from past era's in Gene Tunney from the 1920s.. Max Bear from the 1930s & Ezzard Charles from the 1950s and we are going to hypothetically match them against the recent opponents of the current claimants to the Heavyweight crown, David Haye, Vitali Klitschko & Wlad Klitschko... Their opponents being:

Gene Tunney vs Albert Sosnowski
Gene Tunney vs Kevin Johnson
Gene Tunney vs Audley Harrison
Gene Tunney vs Eddie Chambers
Gene Tunney vs Ruslan Chagaev
Gene Tunney vs John Ruiz
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Max Baer vs Albert Sosnowski
Max Baer vs Kevin Johnson
Max Baer vs Audley Harrison
Max Baer vs Eddie Chambers
Max Baer vs Ruslan Chagaev
Max Baer vs John Ruiz
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Ezzard Charles vs Albert Sosnowski
Ezzard Charles vs Kevin Johnson
Ezzard Charles vs Audley Harrison
Ezzard Charles vs Eddie Chambers
Ezzard Charles vs Ruslan Chagaev
Ezzard Charles vs John Ruiz

How do you see these fights going:

first off who is albert,kevin,audley,eddie,i have never heard of them,secondly gene, max,and ezzard dont stand a chance at lasting more than 1 round against ruslan or john

[sonnyboyx2]

dont you think thats a bit to much fights to analyze?

No.. its simple enough 3 past champions against the last 6 world title challengers... but if it to difficult for you then give it a miss

[Tiozzo]

No.. its simple enough 3 past champions against the last 6 world title challengers... but if it to difficult for you then give it a miss

why not match those 3 past champions against the 3 present champions ?

why match the past champions against present challengers ??? smells like you got an agenda

Tunney and Charles would whoop a lot of them challengers despite being outsized by several pounds and inches, thanks to their ring intelligence and technical skills

Tunney vs Chambers would be particularly interesting

I don't know much about Baer aside the fact that he was a big puncher and that he often punched with his back hand...

[sonnyboyx2]

why not match those 3 past champions against the 3 present champions ?

why match the past champions against present challengers ??? smells like you got an agenda

Tunney and Charles would whoop a lot of them challengers despite being outsized by several pounds and inches, thanks to their ring intelligence and technical skills

Tunney vs Chambers would be particularly interesting

I don't know much about Baer aside the fact that he was a big puncher and that he often punched with his back hand...

Yeah.. the agenda is called Boxing History, an attempt to find out what todays boxing fans think about todays contenders and how those contenders would fair against some of the champions from yesteryear... "Quite Simple"

But its people like yourself who have very little knowledge of boxing history who try to turn every thread they possibly can into a flame-war because they cannot address the topic question... it would be much better if you just never bothered posting on a thread you know nothing about and leave it to others who know

[Tiozzo]

Yeah.. the agenda is called Boxing History, an attempt to find out what todays boxing fans think about todays contenders and how those contenders would fair against some of the champions from yesteryear... "Quite Simple"
But its people like yourself who have very little knowledge of boxing history who try to turn every thread they possibly can into a flame-war because they cannot address the topic question... it would be much better if you just never bothered posting on a thread you know nothing about and leave it to others who know

this has nothing to do with boxing history and knowledge, these are just fantasy matches that are uninspiring for the most part

and which ''others'' ?

it appears this thread didn't get much attention, I wonder why...

maybe I should leave it to MrBoxer who sounds like a very knowledgable man

[Die Antwoord]

i have selected 3 heavyweight champion from past era's in Gene Tunney from the 1920s.. Max Bear from the 1930s & Ezzard Charles from the 1950s and we are going to hypothetically match them against the recent opponents of the current claimants to the Heavyweight crown, David Haye, Vitali Klitschko & Wlad Klitschko... Their opponents being:

vs Albert Sosnowski
vs Kevin Johnso
vs Audley Harrison
vs Eddie Chambers
vs Ruslan Chagaev
vs John Ruiz
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How do you see these fights going:

How about we compare challengers. Im just going to choose Charles because its the first one I saw.

Ezzard Charles challengers after he took the title from Louis

How would 178 lbs Nick Barone do against Ruslan Chagaev
How about 27 losses Lee Oma, how would he fair against the unbeaten Arreola
Would 181 pound 16 loss Joey Maxim be able to deal with John Ruiz's clinching or his power? Haye was knocked back by Ruiz...who isnt powerful at HW, how would Joey Maxim do?
Ezzard then lost to Jersey Joe Walcott. WHAT A TITLE REIGN! GOLDEN AGE ALL THE WAY. As champ Ezzard's average opponent had 17 losses...oh it truly was magnificent back then, when fighters with 27 losses who weighed 193 lbs got title shots. Sure Lee Oma was KO'ed 17 times before he fought for a title, but did you know that Gomez was knocked out once before fighting Vitali. What a bum...to be KO'ed once. Sure Lee Oma had been KO'ed in the first 3 rounds 7 times in his career, but when he fought Charles for the title...he hadnt been knocked out in almost 6 months.

When Lee Oma fought Ezzard Charles he was so prime too. I mean sure, a year before the fight he was involved in a double DQ for "Clowning around." But now he was 36, more mature than he was at 35. Sure at one point in Lee Oma's career he had a streak of 1-5-2, but that was a whple 2 years before he got a title shot, way back in Lee Oma's early 30's. And 2 of those losses shouldnt count since they were against all time great, Henry "Snow Flakes(real nickname)" Flakes. Who, would go on to have a great career; as a murderer. He was executed only 12 years after this fight for murder.

Or how about the great nick barone, who got his title shot even though 5 months earlier he had lost to...who else... LEE OMA. Sure just a year and a half before he lost twice to fighters weighing under 175 lbs. But Nick Barone deserved that title shot. He had put together 2 victories in a row. IN A ROW. He didnt win like one fight, and then have a draw, he won 2 fights in a row. Against greats like Jimmy Beau who weighed 159 lbs. And Joe Taylor, who despited being 5'7 and 160 lbs, packed awesome power in his fist. So awesome that he had 9 KO's at the time. Sure he had never fought anyone over 160, but as sonny boy will tell you, smaller guys hit harder. The great Nick Barone deserved his title shot. He beat 2 middleweights (who are naturally harder to beat than HW's according to Sonny Boy) and had a grueling fight with Lee Oma...thats challenger material right there. Ruslan Chagaev would stand no chance against this beast with a ko% of 35% who never fought anyone over 192 lbs in his career. Oh man Chagaev would be in big trouble. BIG trouble. Game over.



Wow looking over it...I guess you are right Sonnyboy. Wlad is cherry picking all these fighters who have 0-2 losses. Ezzard Charles' reign at HW was so much more impressive. This truly is the worst HW division of all time.

[mrboxer]

this has nothing to do with boxing history and knowledge, these are just fantasy matches that are uninspiring for the most part

and which ''others'' ?

it appears this thread didn't get much attention, I wonder why...

maybe I should leave it to MrBoxer who sounds like a very knowledgable man

yes i am,

[sonnyboyx2]

How about we compare challengers. Im just going to choose Charles because its the first one I saw.

Ezzard Charles challengers after he took the title from Louis

How would 178 lbs Nick Barone do against Ruslan Chagaev
How about 27 losses Lee Oma, how would he fair against the unbeaten Arreola
Would 181 pound 16 loss Joey Maxim be able to deal with John Ruiz's clinching or his power? Haye was knocked back by Ruiz...who isnt powerful at HW, how would Joey Maxim do?
Ezzard then lost to Jersey Joe Walcott. WHAT A TITLE REIGN! GOLDEN AGE ALL THE WAY. As champ Ezzard's average opponent had 17 losses...oh it truly was magnificent back then, when fighters with 27 losses who weighed 193 lbs got title shots. Sure Lee Oma was KO'ed 17 times before he fought for a title, but did you know that Gomez was knocked out once before fighting Vitali. What a bum...to be KO'ed once. Sure Lee Oma had been KO'ed in the first 3 rounds 7 times in his career, but when he fought Charles for the title...he hadnt been knocked out in almost 6 months.

When Lee Oma fought Ezzard Charles he was so prime too. I mean sure, a year before the fight he was involved in a double DQ for "Clowning around." But now he was 36, more mature than he was at 35. Sure at one point in Lee Oma's career he had a streak of 1-5-2, but that was a whple 2 years before he got a title shot, way back in Lee Oma's early 30's. And 2 of those losses shouldnt count since they were against all time great, Henry "Snow Flakes(real nickname)" Flakes. Who, would go on to have a great career; as a murderer. He was executed only 12 years after this fight for murder.

Or how about the great nick barone, who got his title shot even though 5 months earlier he had lost to...who else... LEE OMA. Sure just a year and a half before he lost twice to fighters weighing under 175 lbs. But Nick Barone deserved that title shot. He had put together 2 victories in a row. IN A ROW. He didnt win like one fight, and then have a draw, he won 2 fights in a row. Against greats like Jimmy Beau who weighed 159 lbs. And Joe Taylor, who despited being 5'7 and 160 lbs, packed awesome power in his fist. So awesome that he had 9 KO's at the time. Sure he had never fought anyone over 160, but as sonny boy will tell you, smaller guys hit harder. The great Nick Barone deserved his title shot. He beat 2 middleweights (who are naturally harder to beat than HW's according to Sonny Boy) and had a grueling fight with Lee Oma...thats challenger material right there. Ruslan Chagaev would stand no chance against this beast with a ko% of 35% who never fought anyone over 192 lbs in his career. Oh man Chagaev would be in big trouble. BIG trouble. Game over.



Wow looking over it...I guess you are right Sonnyboy. Wlad is cherry picking all these fighters who have 0-2 losses. Ezzard Charles' reign at HW was so much more impressive. This truly is the worst HW division of all time.

you refused to answer the topic question because you know fine well that the answer is that Baer, Tunney & Charles would get locked up for murder if they fought those bums who the Klitschko brothers are trying to sell to the boxing public... which is why HBO have now refused to show any of the brothers fights and they are never to make PPV money again.... Wlad is fighting over in Germany this weekend with the fight not even being broadcast abroad or even being shown in the brothers own country, which shows just how pathetic and low they have brought this sport down too.