Roy Jones Jr

[Toney616]

I rank him #42 on my top 100 list.

That's way too high imo

[BennyST]

He said p4p list, which I took to mean if all guys were the same size, how would they match up.

If his talking only about who has the best ATG resume then of course I wouldn't have those guys up that high. I would have guys like Ali, Moore and Robinson

None of that makes any sense to me. If you have a great resume, then you know with certainty how good they are. The rest is fiction and BS guessing.

P4P and top 100 ATG are, and should be, exactly the same thing. The reason Robinson is GOAT is because we know he could beat every style and he did it against many other ATG's.

Resume=ATG

There should not be any difference. If you have Jones in your top ten based on what you think he could do that's a flawed opinion. If you have Robinson atop your list because of who he beat, how long he reigned for, the dominance he showed over several divisions, that makes perfect sense.

P4P and an ATG list should be exactly the same thing.

[BennyST]

That's way too high imo

Argh!!! Now you're just spinning me out! You say you have him in your top ten P4P but 42 is too high in your ATG top 100 list?

Can you please explain that one to me because I'm flat out lost.

Anyway, I think 42 is just about perfect. Possibly even a bit low.

[BennyST]

Who do you have in there?

Not Hagler, Liston or McCallum.

[Toney616]

Argh!!! Now you're just spinning me out! You say you have him in your top ten P4P but 42 is too high in your ATG top 100 list?

Where did I say that?

Can you please explain that one to me because I'm flat out lost.

Nothing to explain as I never said anything about where I would rank him

Anyway, I think 42 is just about perfect. Possibly even a bit low.

His missing too many names to be ranked that high

[Toney616]

Not Hagler, Liston or McCallum.

I was talking about a p4p skillset list, I take it you didn't read my following post?

[Toney616]

There should not be any difference. If you have Jones in your top ten based on what you think he could do that's a flawed opinion.

Why do you keep stating this, when I never said anything about him in my top ten?

Jones never fought big punchers with one punch ko power like McCallum, McClellan and Benn. So we have to guess about that.

He never fought tall rangy southpaws like Nunn, so we have to also guess how that would of also worked out as well

P4P and an ATG list should be exactly the same thing.

Your definition and mine are different, im thinking off guys with the best all round skills who could hold their own against other styles.
McCallum fought a big puncher Jackson. Fought a great boxer/counter puncher Toney. Fought a top slickster in Graham.

McCallum was tight defensively had a great jab and could lead and counter punch, off course I'm going to have someone like that ranked high on my list.

I'm talking about all round skills, not resume, they don't always go hand in hand

[BennyST]

No, after you edited all your posts to make them seem more correct, it all makes sense.

Whatever mate.....

[BennyST]

Why do you keep stating this, when I never said anything about him in my top ten?

Jones never fought big punchers with one punch ko power like McCallum, McClellan and Benn. So we have to guess about that.

He never fought tall rangy southpaws like Nunn, so we have to also guess how that would of also worked out as well

Your definition and mine are different, im thinking off guys with the best all round skills who could hold their own against other styles.
McCallum fought a big puncher Jackson. Fought a great boxer/counter puncher Toney. Fought a top slickster in Graham.

McCallum was tight defensively had a great jab and could lead and counter punch, off course I'm going to have someone like that ranked high on my list.

I'm talking about all round skills, not resume, they don't always go hand in hand

Yes, they do. You cannot tell someone's 'skillset' unless they fight great opposition. You don't know how they would fare against certain fighters....there are way too many variables to just say "I think that guy has the best skillset because he looks good."

It all goes together. Resume, skills, longevity, division dominated, divisions with titles won, styles beat etc etc etc.

McCallum is of course an amazing fighter, but his skillset is not top ten. Come on. He's very good, but not that good.

A skillset alone means absolutely bollocks all. You could have some dude who is ****ing genius, like Mayweather, who never meets someone like himself or someone with incredible P4P brilliance....Hey, we know how he does against ok champions but how does he fare against another great? We don't know. We have absolutely no idea yet. What would happen if he came up against a Ray Leonard? Would the speed and jab flip his lid?

See, that's why the top ATG's are up there. Because we know how they do against other greats. It's not rocket science. You look at who they beat and how they beat them, how they reigned and how long etc....and it all tells a story of how great they were.

If you had seen Ali fight Liston and then die after it, where would you rate him? What about Sanchez? Where do you rate him?

[T.McGrady]

Is he worthy to be in a top 10 atg p4p list?

where do you rank him in your overal list

No, He's not in a top 10 atg. There are a lot of fighters i'll put ahead of him.