Is Sonny Liston A Top 10 ATG Heavyweight?

[sonnyboyx2]

Roy Jones and Thomas Hearns are rated the greatest ever in which weight divisons?

Furthermore while I said their chins weren't that good, I also consider them great fighters. I rate Joe Louis #1 at HW "pea-brain", something you don't.

Honestly it's pretty obvious you're not exactly an intellectual. Don't call people smarter than you "pea-brains" unless you want to be embarrassed. I've been gentle with you up until now. Let's not change things.

i dont like you being gentle.. i like a bit of rough, you could not embarrass me if you tried.

The IBHOF rated Thomas Hearns as the greatest 154lb fighter ever

The IBHOF rated Roy Jones Jr. as the greatest 168lb fighter ever

[Poet682006]

and yet these so called journeyman are still greater than valdez,valdez was a bum who lost to other bums,he.quality fighters dont lose to bums and he did

Gratuitous assertions may be equally gratuitously denied.

Poet

[Poet682006]

Poet... your better putting the clown on your ignore list rather than pulling your hair out at his ******ity

Honestly BoxRec gets so abused by people who don't know what they're looking at it's sickening. Especially when it's people who are only used the current era where that "0" gets protected at all costs and they decide that someone from an earlier era is bum because they have a few losses. I'm sorry but Briggs and Botha would have a hell of a lot more losses than they do if they had come up in the 1950s instead of the sheltered 1990s. These people are incapable of putting what they see on BoxRec into any kind of context of the era the fighter was from. It really gets irritating. Instead of actually doing their homework they just click on BoxRec and.....learn absolutely nothing. BoxRec is a useful reference tool in the hands of someone who already knows something about the fighters they are looking up.....In the hands of the ignorant, though, it's dangerous because it gives them a false sense that they're less ignorant than they really are.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Honestly BoxRec gets so abused by people who don't know what they're looking at it's sickening. Especially when it's people who are only used the current era where that "0" gets protected at all costs and they decide that someone from an earlier era is bum because they have a few losses. I'm sorry but Briggs and Botha would have a hell of a lot more losses than they do if they had come up in the 1950s instead of the sheltered 1990s. These people are incapable of putting what they see on BoxRec into any kind of context of the era the fighter was from. It really gets irritating. Instead of actually doing their homework they just click on BoxRec and.....learn absolutely nothing. BoxRec is a useful reference tool in the hands of someone who already knows something about the fighters they looking up.....In the hands of the ignorant though it's dangerous because it gives them a false sense that they're less ignorant than they really are.

Poet

yes i agree, they also know nothing about the opponents of the fighter they are looking up on Boxrec and class every opponent who has losses on his record as an unknown bum

[Barn]

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Sam Langford
4. Jack Johnson
5. Larry Holmes
6. George Foreman
7. Rocky Marciano
8. Sonny Liston
9. Jack Dempsey
10.Mike Tyson

1 - 3 Change about
4 - 5 Change

So yeah similarly to JAB I rank Liston 8th on my Heavyweight All Time Great list which is excellent in my opinion.

[The_Demon]

Roy Jones and Thomas Hearns are rated the greatest ever in which weight divisons?

Furthermore while I said their chins weren't that good, I also consider them great fighters. I rate Joe Louis #1 at HW "pea-brain", something you don't.

Honestly it's pretty obvious you're not exactly an intellectual. Don't call people smarter than you "pea-brains" unless you want to be embarrassed. I've been gentle with you up until now. Let's not change things.

I wouldnt bother man,sense is lost on that pathetic hater

[CarlosG815]

I wouldnt bother man,sense is lost on that pathetic hater

You are the top 3 of the most ignorant posters on this forum with your blind loyalty to British fighters. You never know what you are talking about, as you are just a bias fanboy, so why not just stick to NSB where you can worship the Klitschko's and David Haye?

[sonnyboyx2]

I wouldnt bother man,sense is lost on that pathetic hater

i enjoy your remarks which are directed at me they make me laugh and feel warm inside, they also tell me that i have got through to you, that i have educated you and opened your eyes to the way that it really happened in the career of your idol, i have woken you up from your `Butterfly-minded` idolization of a guy who in reality was "Nothing Special" ... you dont have the intelligence or the knowledge to pit yourself against me and try to call into question what i say about your idol and try to prove me wrong, you and dozens of others just like you have tried and tried unto i have had you all virtually in tears spitting teeth in anger at me exposing the myth which you try to create... i am never going to change my opinion to suit you or anyone else, i tell it like it really was and how it really happened, i am not a hater like you claim i am, i am a guy who knows this sport and does not get carried away with playground idolization like you do. with the truth of who is the hater being yourself who makes hate-threads against ATG fighters who was years past their best just so you can try to improve your idol`s standing, yet i will always be here to shoot you down because i enjoy doing it ****sucker.

[GJC]

bruno

join the dots here, Bruno totally froze against Tyson. Liston was just as intimidating if not more than Tyson. Bruno theoretically had the tools to beat Tyson, Bruno didn't have any of the tools to beat Liston. I would bet vital parts of my anotomy that Liston could KO Bruno whereas I continue to have doubts as to whether Bruno could KO any great motivated near prime fighter.
Bruno could outbox Liston theoretically but then we move onto stamina, prime Bruno's stamina would not have been enough to survive against Liston for 12 let alone 15 rounds.
In answer to the question yes Liston would be a top ten, they only top ten fighter you can be sure would beat him is Ali and that is a bad stylistic match up for him. Bit like Foreman/Frazier, you do have to balance that fight within the resume.

[boxing boy]

This is for people who say Liston did not have heart.

Your quick to bring up he quit against Muhammad Ali.He quit for the same reason that Duran quit against SRL.

I also notice you never bring up that Liston fought with a broken jaw early in his career against veteren Marty Marshall.It was said that Liston hit him so hard in the 10th and final round that Marshall stepped out of the ring!!

Liston didn't quit against Ali because he was hurting or badly punished.Liston would have continued fighting with a broken jaw!! He quit for the same reason Duran quit against SRL.So yes,Liston proved he had heart and courage and there are few(If any) Heavyweight's in history who could make him quit.

So you now need to move him up on your list.Most people just go on his fights against Muhammad Ali,but don't look at what he did the rest of his career.He cleaned out a very good Heavyweight division.And he did it DESTROYING everybody!! Prime Sonny Liston 1959-1962 could give any Heavyweight in history a very uncomfortable evening.

Name 5 fighters who could beat PRIME Sonny Liston?