Top 5 boxers off all time based on heart

[HaglerSteelChin]

On padding, the plaster is not hardened until the later rounds, so it wont be felt on the gloves easily in the beginning.

In fact, in one of the later rounds Margs corner told him in spanish "your punches should be very solid by now"? Of course Margocheoto apologists will argue those words meant nothing, and let's give a known cheater who has no boxing license the benefit of the doubt.

[BigStereotype]

@Prinzemana-troll

you have been banned 6 times but for some reason you keep coming back for more..

Who is more an expert you or Steward? What is the subtance? Is it blood or what is it? SInce you are an expert please tell me? I have seen it before, what are the origins of it?

Also i have the fight the wraps were never taken off, only the gloves, and the wraps looked excessive.

Margarito has never been knocked out until the MOsley fight- That is a fact. Trinidad was never knocked out until the Hopkins fight, two fighters who had to re-wrap due to the athletic commissions. Even guys like CLottey who is durable ran from margocheoto in the last rounds of their fight, Paul Williams who has an 82 inch reach used his jab and didn't taste as much punishment as Cotto.

Margarito knocked out Cintron twice with BODY shots, a guy who never was knocked out. Did you see the last fight Margarito had? He hit Garcia with body shots and couldnt do nothing, in fact Garcia mocked him and even hit his own stomach and laughed at Margs, because the punches did nothing to him. All of sudden Margs power is reduced to shell of its former self. Also power is something fighters retain unlike speed and reflexes.

Of Course only a low life troll who was a failed ******** attempt would fancy to defend a KNOWN cheater and not question his wins, kind of like Par for the course mate?

Dude **** off. I'm a failed ******** too? Because I'm defending Margarito even more staunchly than Prinze. And we're not defending his conduct in the Mosley fight because that's frankly indefensible. But just because he ****ed up bad in one fight does not taint the rest of his career. Now I didn't watch the Garcia fight so I can't comment on his power since his suspension, but I did see the Cintron fight and he beat Kermit the Frog on volume, not one-punch power. He wore him down. Body shot KO's aren't that uncommon, you know. Say what you want about Oscar, he's a real tiger and he got KO'd on one big body shot from Hopkins, who isn't a huge puncher. And have you ever taken off boxing gloves? When you do, there are little red flakes everywhere. EVERYWHERE. And if your hands are wet enough, those little red flakes can dye your hands/wraps/whatever red.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Dude **** off. I'm a failed ******** too? Because I'm defending Margarito even more staunchly than Prinze. And we're not defending his conduct in the Mosley fight because that's frankly indefensible. But just because he ****ed up bad in one fight does not taint the rest of his career. Now I didn't watch the Garcia fight so I can't comment on his power since his suspension, but I did see the Cintron fight and he beat Kermit the Frog on volume, not one-punch power. He wore him down. Body shot KO's aren't that uncommon, you know. Say what you want about Oscar, he's a real tiger and he got KO'd on one big body shot from Hopkins, who isn't a huge puncher. And have you ever taken off boxing gloves? When you do, there are little red flakes everywhere. EVERYWHERE. And if your hands are wet enough, those little red flakes can dye your hands/wraps/whatever red.

Are you mexican? Sounds fishy. No need for profanity unless it is mano to mano or bravo to bravo. If not, than please put me on ignore as many of the newbies do. No need for profanity here.

It works both ways, you can't say margs cheated or didnt cheat in his prior fights, but it looks very su****ous that his first KO loss comes after he is forced to re wrap.

Also it shows your logic? DLH started as a 130 Pound fighter and was fighting in his 6th weight class when he got knocked out, and his body was not a natural MW. DLH body was much softer as a MW, that is common for guys to move up and get knocked out. Jose Napoles got KTFO by Monzon, Arguello a tough bastard got knocked out moving up his 4th weight class. DIFFERENCE Cintron was a big welterweight, the analogy is silly. Cintron was not fighting in his 6th weight class.

Cintron said he never was hit as hard or before as the margocheoto fights. Can we say for 100% certain- no but the suspcion is there.

Cotto got hit with many flush shots by guys like Torres and didn't swell as bad as that fight. In fact, he said he needed 2 weeks for his face to stop swelling, that was much longer than Mosley, Torres, and Corley who wobbled him.

Most of the blood you see in the early cotto fights are from head butts.

Does it taint his entire career? No but it does put into question many of his wins, nobody can say if he used illegal substances or not, but i wont give him the benefit of the doubt. We will see how much power he has now, if he still knocks guys out with one body shot than it wll add credibility to some of the past wins, if he looks like he did against Garcia who mocked his punching power than many will question his career

[BigStereotype]

On padding, the plaster is not hardened until the later rounds, so it wont be felt on the gloves easily in the beginning.

In fact, in one of the later rounds Margs corner told him in spanish "your punches should be very solid by now"? Of course Margocheoto apologists will argue those words meant nothing, and let's give a known cheater who has no boxing license the benefit of the doubt.

Except that was through an interpreter. Capetillo said "duro" which means hard or strong. But I wouldn't expect a blinded by biased moron to know that. I already said he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. In those words, actually. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said before and by much smarter folks than you. So **** you, go drown.

[BigStereotype]

Are you mexican? Sounds fishy. No need for profanity unless it is mano to mano or bravo to bravo. If not, than please put me on ignore as many of the newbies do. No need for profanity here.

It works both ways, you can't say margs cheated or didnt cheat in his prior fights, but it looks very su****ous that his first KO loss comes after he is forced to re wrap.

Also it shows your logic? DLH started as a 130 Pound fighter and was fighting in his 6th weight class when he got knocked out, and his body was not a natural MW. DLH body was much softer as a MW, that is common for guys to move up and get knocked out. Jose Napoles got KTFO by Monzon, Arguello a tough bastard got knocked out moving up his 4th weight class. DIFFERENCE Cintron was a big welterweight, the analogy is silly. Cintron was not fighting in his 6th weight class.

Cintron said he never was hit as hard or before as the margocheoto fights. Can we say for 100% certain- no but the suspcion is there.

Cotto got hit with many flush shots by guys like Torres and didn't swell as bad as that fight. In fact, he said he needed 2 weeks for his face to stop swelling, that was much longer than Mosley, Torres, and Corley who wobbled him.

Most of the blood you see in the early cotto fights are from head butts.

Does it taint his entire career? No but it does put into question many of his wins, nobody can say if he used illegal substances or not, but i wont give him the benefit of the doubt. We will see how much power he has now, if he still knocks guys out with one body shot than it wll add credibility to some of the past wins, if he looks like he did against Garcia who mocked his punching power than many will question his career

So what if I am Mexican? Look at my favorite fighters. Cotto is number two. And DLH might have started as a 130 lber, but he was a natural JMW, I'd say. He wasn't that small a middleweight and I think that Margarito is a bigger P4P puncher than Hopkins. Also, Hoya's heart is SO much bigger than Cintron's it's not even funny. And as to profanity, I will curse if you insult me, especially in the way you did. That's a ****ed up thing to say to anybody.

[HaglerSteelChin]

So what if I am Mexican? Look at my favorite fighters. Cotto is number two. And DLH might have started as a 130 lber, but he was a natural JMW, I'd say. He wasn't that small a middleweight and I think that Margarito is a bigger P4P puncher than Hopkins. Also, Hoya's heart is SO much bigger than Cintron's it's not even funny. And as to profanity, I will curse if you insult me, especially in the way you did. That's a ****ed up thing to say to anybody.

Of course you are mexican. It shows who is less bias, as i have two mexicans among my favorite fighters, and TOTALLY trash Trinidad although i share some heritage with him.

DLH took very solid punches his entire career, i mean guys like Quartay , Trinidad, Mosley, and even Chavez tagged him very hard(2nd fight), but he never got knocked out until he was a middleweight. Even as an bloke taking shot after shot from pac he didnt get knockdown, but retired on the stool. DLH was never a Middleweight, and even the gift win against Felix Sturm was not a real win, and even most fans of him would agree with that.

Also the ******** thing was with Prinzamanotroll who has a histroy of bannings and fighting with many posters. He has beef with Mickelymalone, Poet, Jab, to name a few. She is a tough British Streetfighter from the East End, so why you need to defend her? Perhaps you need to let your lover to defend herself.

[BigStereotype]

Of course you are mexican. It shows who is less bias, as i have two mexicans among my favorite fighters, and TOTALLY trash Trinidad although i share some heritage with him.

DLH took very solid punches his entire career, i mean guys like Quartay , Trinidad, Mosley, and even Chavez tagged him very hard(2nd fight), but he never got knocked out until he was a middleweight. Even as an bloke taking shot after shot from pac he didnt get knockdown, but retired on the stool. DLH was never a Middleweight, and even the gift win against Felix Sturm was not a real win, and even most fans of him would agree with that.

Also the ******** thing was with Prinzamanotroll who has a histroy of bannings and fighting with many posters. He has beef with Mickelymalone, Poet, Jab, to name a few. She is a tough British Streetfighter from the East End, so why you need to defend her? Perhaps you need to let your lover to defend herself.

I don't really know what you're getting at here. I'm a Mexican with a Rican as my second favorite fighter. And Cotto is awfully close to eclipsing Marquez, I'll tell you that. So no, I'm not biased. I like Mexican fighters, yes, but I try to be pretty objective with what I'm saying and I feel like I'm pretty good at admitting when I can't. And De La Hoya getting knocked out by one solid body-punch by a less than spectacular puncher was exactly my point. He was a ridiculously tough dude and Hopkins froze him up. So Margarito doing that to Cintron really doesn't say much.

I'm not defending Prinze here, I'm responding to your little quip that anybody who would defend Margarito was a failed ********. I defended Margarito, sorta. Seriously over the line. But if I pissed you off by cursing, I'm sorry. I don't want to fight, I just have a temper. So I apologize. I'm perfectly willing to have a boxing discussion with you.

[frankenfrank]

It's definitely true that the ref holding his hand is not conclusive. But it's something, I think. And Cotto cut bad against Ricardo Torres, another big one over his left eye.

Nearly as bad as he was against Margachito ?

Also, you don't remember anything special about Cotto-Mosley? Those two went to war! The first 8 rounds were the two of them trying to win it on pure balls and they were the biggest punchers in the WW division at the time. Like Kellerman said, they just felt if they threw punches a little bit harder, they'd put the other one away. And they kept trying. Cotto got a little tired and started dancing away, but it's one of my favorite fights. And I haven't watched it in a little while, but I'm fairly sure Cotto cut in both that fight and the Zab Judah fight, both before his war with Margarito.

When I wrote "nothing special" I meant t in the context of blood n cuts , and you were supposed to know it.
Also , I did not remember it as an especially boring fight either , and I watched lots of other wars as well , so I could even mean what I did not mean.
And it was a year ago , as I already wrote .
And after you claim they both tried to win it on pure balls for the first 8 rounds , how come Cotto was not cut nearly as bad as he was against Margachito ?
(1) No one cut Cotto nearly as bad as Margachito before
(2) No one stopped Cotto before Margachito

And a plaster in the glove can cause fractures in one's skull and internal head injuries that a legally wrapped fist covered with glove can rarely cause , especially when at least according to you Margachito was not even a top #3 puncher in his own division in his own prime (Except of Mosley and Cotto , Cintron comes to mind also) .

[frankenfrank]

Also i have the fight the wraps were never taken off, only the gloves, and the wraps looked excessive. Those wraps were never removed.

Margarito has never been knocked out until the MOsley fight- That is a fact. Trinidad was never knocked out until the Hopkins fight, two fighters who had to re-wrap due to the athletic commissions. Even guys like CLottey who is durable ran from margocheoto in the last rounds of their fight, Paul Williams who has an 82 inch reach used his jab and didn't taste as much punishment as Cotto.

Margarito knocked out Cintron twice with BODY shots, a guy who never was knocked out. Did you see the last fight Margarito had? He hit Garcia with body shots and couldnt do nothing, in fact Garcia mocked him and even hit his own stomach and laughed at Margs, because the punches did nothing to him. All of sudden Margs power is reduced to shell of its former self. Also power is something fighters retain unlike speed and reflexes.

Exactly.
(1) Cintron was not stopped by anyone else before or since Margachito despite he faced top class opponents after him : Angulo and Martinez .
(2) Trinidad was undefeated pre Hopkins , yet was stopped the moment he
had his advantages removed .
(3)

Also i have the fight the wraps were never taken off, only the gloves, and the wraps looked excessive. Those wraps were never removed.

(4) Williams survived because of his big range advantage .
(5) Margachito's power was rarely rated high , not even by most of his fans ,
was proven even "weaker" after the wrapping "incident".


And outside of this quoted post , and to a lesser extent :
(6) When someone is aware of his hidden advantage it also helps him
mentally by rightfully boosting his self confidence.

[BigStereotype]

1. I haven't seen the Angulo fight, but Martinez won the Cintron fight and he's not as overpoweringly aggressive as Margarito.
2. Again, that's what can happen when you're distracted...I don't see your point. Also, Tito didn't have a granite chin like Margarito. I'd seen Tito on the verge of knockout before, while I'd never seen Margarito even notice a punch.
3. I don't think so.
4. Williams won, not survived, because he out-Margarito'd Margarito for the first seven rounds.
5. He wasn't Juan Diaz or anything, he had a decent punch. He just wasn't a show-stopper. You can't be that big and strong for the division and not have just a little bit of punch.
6. Yeah, definitely. I agree with that. His confidence was shattered, but that could be because he thought he was going to be fighting the last fight of his career.