Top 5 boxers off all time based on heart

[BigStereotype]

Why do u think Mosley was the first one ?

Margarito needs to be in a very specific mindset the way he fights. Having a chin like that isn't purely physical - a lot of it is mental. Since he was distracted, it detracted a lot from his ability to take a punch. Mosley beat him fair and square, but it was obvious that he wasn't the same animal that ate Cotto a few months earlier.

Look at Cotto's face after their fight.
And Cotto was shot indeed after that fight , Margachito ended Cotto's prime with his cheat.

Were John Thaxton's gloves loaded? Fighters get cut up, fighters swell. It
s what happens when you get hit 250 times, bricks or no.

How do u want it 2b seen when he raises his hands ?
Both the gloves and the wraps block its sight .
And how do u want the ref 2 detect it when he holds Margachito's arm ?
The loaded wraps are not on his arm they are on his 2 layer (or more) covered fists.

The gloves would have blocked it, you're right. But he took them off, like I clearly stated in my post. And the ref didn't grab him on the arm, he grabbed him right on the hand and thrust his hand in the air. Now if his hands felt like bricks there, wouldn't Kenny Bayless have noticed?

[prinzemanspopa]

Truer words couldn't be spoken. If you look at the video after the Cotto fight, his wraps look very heavy and even a pinkish substance that Emanuel Steward "didn't recognizance" was shown on pictures after the fight.

Emanuel Steward is a network puppet with no credibility.The pinkish strain found on Margarito's wraps means absolutely nothing.It's been found on the wraps of many fighters,Diego Corrales and Vic Ortiz included:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362128

Here is the thing what people fail to understand. I myself don't know if Margs used the plaster of paris many times? But if he was using it than the blows he gave the opponents took the wind out of them and snap off their punches, as a result your chin takes less degree of punishment.

We do know that Margs had no plaster against Mosley, and now all of sudden his chin can't absorb the punishment. All of a sudden........he gets KTFO. Just a coincidence?

Unfortunately for you,the fight with Cotto was broadcast all over the world.We saw Cotto rip Margarito with vicious shots throughout.The punches were there for all to see and they were landing about as clean as a fighter could wish for.



For you to criticize him for not being able to stand up after being beaten with an inch of his life is disgusting and an absolute disgrace.He proved his chin by absorbing as many shots as he did or nine rounds.No other fighter could have withstood that punishment and have remained on their feet for as long as he did.



In future,stick to topics that you're slightly less more ****** and ignorant on.

[frankenfrank]

Margarito needs to be in a very specific mindset the way he fights. Having a chin like that isn't purely physical - a lot of it is mental. Since he was distracted, it detracted a lot from his ability to take a punch. Mosley beat him fair and square, but it was obvious that he wasn't the same animal that ate Cotto a few months earlier.




Were John Thaxton's gloves loaded? Fighters get cut up, fighters swell. It
s what happens when you get hit 250 times, bricks or no.

I was not interested in watching that fight after Margachito was exposed , so I leave it to others to answer why a 28 years old Cotto was bruised the way he was , and a 38 years old Mosley was not and it's not even that Mosley was considered "prime" after his previous loss to that same Cotto.

The gloves would have blocked it, you're right. But he took them off, like I clearly stated in my post. And the ref didn't grab him on the arm, he grabbed him right on the hand and thrust his hand in the air. Now if his hands felt like bricks there, wouldn't Kenny Bayless have noticed?

Is it such a standing out thing that you can feel it when holding the hand weakly ? not like receiving it into the face , plus , did the ref hold his fist ?

[frankenfrank]

Emanuel Steward is a network puppet with no credibility.The pinkish strain found on Margarito's wraps means absolutely nothing.It's been found on the wraps of many fighters,Diego Corrales and Vic Ortiz included:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=362128

Good mention , Diego "El mouthpiece spitter"/"Chito" Corralles .
You know if someone was not caught , it does not mean he is innocent ,
especially when dealing with one of the greatest mouthpiece spitters of all time. and who knows what more about him ?
In the recent 10 days , I watched dozens of fights I did not see before , and
since then I have flashbacks of pausing fights for retying the gloves and picking up mouthpieces , and only then low blows and headbutts (no Holyfield fights as I watched almost all of them even before , no Hopkins , Honeyghan and Holt either )

Carlos Ortiz still does not interest me.

Unfortunately for you,the fight with Cotto was broadcast all over the world.We saw Cotto rip Margarito with vicious shots throughout.The punches were there for all to see and they were landing about as clean as a fighter could wish for.



For you to criticize him for not being able to stand up after being beaten with an inch of his life is disgusting and an absolute disgrace.He proved his chin by absorbing as many shots as he did or nine rounds.No other fighter could have withstood that punishment and have remained on their feet for as long as he did.



In future,stick to topics that you're slightly less more ****** and ignorant on.

Margarito proved he had a chin .
But what stopped Cotto were Margarito's loaded gloves , or otherwise Cotto could have coasted to victory.

[BigStereotype]

1. Yes, the ref held his fist. Watch the fight again - it's epic, regardless of the circumstances.
2. Why the **** would Mosley look anything like Cotto? Margarito landed 237 punches on Cotto and 108 on Mosley. Also, Mosley's never had problems cutting or swelling like Cotto does.

[BattlingNelson]

Emanuel Steward is a network puppet with no credibility.The pinkish strain found on Margarito's wraps means absolutely nothing.It's been found on the wraps of many fighters,Diego Corrales and Vic Ortiz included:

Indeed it has and it probably stems from the colouring of the leather (don't know the english words).

Still the fact remains that Margarito was caught with hardened gauze and plasterlike material before Mosley. And it must raise su****ions about him using illegal handwraps for other fights as well.

[BigStereotype]

Oh he's surely lost the benefit of the doubt, but I'm just saying that I'm fairly confident that he didn't cheat against Cotto based on the evidence I have. And I'll take even a bit of evidence over speculation any day.

[frankenfrank]

Sorry , my internet connection broke and recovered

1. Yes, the ref held his fist. Watch the fight again - it's epic, regardless of the circumstances.

But again , even when you hold a still padded fist weakly , you can't feel it like someone who gets it full force into the face ! or even into other places.

2. Why the **** would Mosley look anything like Cotto? Margarito landed 237 punches on Cotto and 108 on Mosley. Also, Mosley's never had problems cutting or swelling like Cotto does.

(1) And since when does Cotto have a tendency to cut ? since after that fight , or before ? I did watch Cotto's fight against Mosley , although it was a year ago , and I don't remember anything special.

(2) Even fighters whom did not have the tendency to cut become such after
they aged (which Mosley certainly did , he has wrinkles on his face !)
and went through the wear and tear that also come with the time.

[BigStereotype]

It's definitely true that the ref holding his hand is not conclusive. But it's something, I think. And Cotto cut bad against Ricardo Torres, another big one over his left eye.

Also, you don't remember anything special about Cotto-Mosley? Those two went to war! The first 8 rounds were the two of them trying to win it on pure balls and they were the biggest punchers in the WW division at the time. Like Kellerman said, they just felt if they threw punches a little bit harder, they'd put the other one away. And they kept trying. Cotto got a little tired and started dancing away, but it's one of my favorite fights. And I haven't watched it in a little while, but I'm fairly sure Cotto cut in both that fight and the Zab Judah fight, both before his war with Margarito.

[HaglerSteelChin]

@Prinzemana-troll

you have been banned 6 times but for some reason you keep coming back for more..

Who is more an expert you or Steward?

Also i have the fight the wraps were never taken off, only the gloves, and the wraps looked excessive. Those wraps were never removed.

Margarito has never been knocked out until the MOsley fight- That is a fact. Trinidad was never knocked out until the Hopkins fight, two fighters who had to re-wrap due to the athletic commissions. Even guys like CLottey who is durable ran from margocheoto in the last rounds of their fight, Paul Williams who has an 82 inch reach used his jab and didn't taste as much punishment as Cotto.

Margarito knocked out Cintron twice with BODY shots, a guy who never was knocked out. Did you see the last fight Margarito had? He hit Garcia with body shots and couldnt do nothing, in fact Garcia mocked him and even hit his own stomach and laughed at Margs, because the punches did nothing to him. All of sudden Margs power is reduced to shell of its former self. Also power is something fighters retain unlike speed and reflexes.

Of Course only a low life troll who was a failed ******** attempt would fancy to defend a KNOWN cheater and not question his wins, kind of like Par for the course mate?