Top 5 boxers off all time based on heart

[frankenfrank]

Interesting to see a list highlighting fighters with heart and then some containing fighters who did quit.


Now,I'm not judging these men,they're not cowards or anything of the sort,but why name these fighters rather than fighters who would never dare quit in a ring?



Could you imagine Vargas or Margarito quitting because of a broken nose? Or quitting as early as the third round? Personally,I just couldn't imagine it.



I couldn't imagine a Matt Franklin quitting simply because his opponent was fighting a style that severely limited his strengths.




I don't think fighters who blatantly ducked punchers his entire career are "warriors",either.Tough guys? Sure.But let's not go overboard

Margarito was a cheater , he could always count on his loaded gloves to win him the fight . It gave him a (justified) belief in his illegally enhanced abilities . Such a cheater is a bad example.

[frankenfrank]

My top 5 are:

Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Roberto Duran
Rocky Marciano


I know I edged a bit towards heavyweight ranking than solely based on heart, but this is my top 5.

Duran quit against Leonard in their rematch , this disqualifies him from the ludicrous ranking of top 5 all time in terms of heart.

One must consider Sam Langford , but I can't judge according 2 only 2 youtube vids of him I saw which were not even against elite opposition of his own time.

My (current) list :
(1) Evander Holyfield
(2) Chris Byrd
(3) James Toney
(4) Iran Barkley
(5) Merqui Sosa

Hassim Rahman , Sam Peter , Ross Puritty , Oleg Maskaev , George Chuvalo , Jerry Quarry , Oscar Bonavena , Joe Frazier , Jimmy Ellis , George Foreman ,
Ron Lyle , Muhammad Ali , Ken Norton , Steve Collins , Gerald McClellan , Julian Jackson , Prince Charles Williams , Nigel Benn , Michael Watson , Chris Eubanks , O'neil Bell , Ronald Wright , Shane Mosley and Mike McCallum are also good examples for heart .

[BigStereotype]

Margarito was a cheater , he could always count on his nearly loaded gloves to win him the fight . It gave him a (justified) belief in his illegally enhanced abilities . Such a cheater is a bad example.

No way, man, that's ridiculous. Saying that his loaded gloves helped his chin and heart? Think about that. It's just silly. Now what he did against Mosley was de****able, but I think that it was the first time and he just pulled it for the wrong fight. Brother Naazim is one sly dude. But if you watch the Cotto fight, an absolutely freakish display of chin and heart, he wins that one by sapping Cotto's will half with his punches and half with his ability to take everything. He landed almost 250 punches (237, to be precise). If you land that much and you have even a little punch, you're going to do damage. Also, the very first thing he does is take his gloves off and raise his hands. If you had just won a title with illegally loaded wraps, wouldn't you want to keep those covered until you could take them off? It doesn't make any sense that he would risk exposing himself in his moment of triumph. And then, to further that case, the ref grabs him right on the hand and raises it. No mention of any wraps from Kenny Bayless, right?

[any craic lad?]

No way, man, that's ridiculous. Saying that his loaded gloves helped his chin and heart? Think about that. It's just silly. Now what he did against Mosley was de****able, but I think that it was the first time and he just pulled it for the wrong fight. Brother Naazim is one sly dude. But if you watch the Cotto fight, an absolutely freakish display of chin and heart, he wins that one by sapping Cotto's will half with his punches and half with his ability to take everything. He landed almost 250 punches (237, to be precise). If you land that much and you have even a little punch, you're going to do damage. Also, the very first thing he does is take his gloves off and raise his hands. If you had just won a title with illegally loaded wraps, wouldn't you want to keep those covered until you could take them off? It doesn't make any sense that he would risk exposing himself in his moment of triumph. And then, to further that case, the ref grabs him right on the hand and raises it. No mention of any wraps from Kenny Bayless, right?

Bingo people just want to hate on Margarito continously the guy had trmendous heart chin and stamina levels thats what made him great if he had plaster of paris couple that in with his punch output some guys shouldnt be able to fight again but no all of his biggest wins have gone onto big things in boxing after fighting him.Cotto showed some serious balls in that fight too now i wouldnt rate him as having one of the greatest hearts ever but he sure does have one of the best of his generation.

[frankenfrank]

No way, man, that's ridiculous. Saying that his loaded gloves helped his chin and heart? Think about that. It's just silly. Now what he did against Mosley was de****able, but I think that it was the first time and he just pulled it for the wrong fight. Brother Naazim is one sly dude. But if you watch the Cotto fight, an absolutely freakish display of chin and heart, he wins that one by sapping Cotto's will half with his punches and half with his ability to take everything. He landed almost 250 punches (237, to be precise). If you land that much and you have even a little punch, you're going to do damage. Also, the very first thing he does is take his gloves off and raise his hands. If you had just won a title with illegally loaded wraps, wouldn't you want to keep those covered until you could take them off? It doesn't make any sense that he would risk exposing himself in his moment of triumph. And then, to further that case, the ref grabs him right on the hand and raises it. No mention of any wraps from Kenny Bayless, right?

Edited my post : Margachito's gloves were not nealry loaded (Which Chito Trinidad's were) but loaded .

Why do u think Mosley was the first one ?
Look at Cotto's face after their fight.
And Cotto was shot indeed after that fight , Margachito ended Cotto's prime with his cheat.

How do u want it 2b seen when he raises his hands ?
Both the gloves and the wraps block its sight .
And how do u want the ref 2 detect it when he holds Margachito's arm ?
The loaded wraps are not on his arm they are on his 2 layer (or more) covered fists.

[BattlingNelson]

All of you ignoring the old-timers has got it wrong. We are talking about fighters up to 45 rounds with 4 ounce horsehair gloves in scorching sun! How can 12 round fighters of this day be tougher?

The toughest fighters of yesterday >>>> the toughest fighters of today all day and every day.

[NChristo]

All of you ignoring the old-timers has got it wrong. We are talking about fighters up to 45 rounds with 4 ounce horsehair gloves in scorching sun! How can 12 round fighters of this day be tougher?

The toughest fighters of yesterday >>>> the toughest fighters of today all day and every day.

Always amazed when I read about Battling Nelson - Joe Gans, what they did seems inhuman, especially with Nelson.

[sonnyboyx2]

Mike Tyson had the heart of a Lion

[SBleeder]

Mike Tyson had the heart of a Lion

He quit against Holyfield and quit on his stool against McBride. He lost nearly every competitive fight he was ever in and never won a fight he wasn't supposed to win. He also lost several fights he was supposed to win easily.

Tyson fans are so delusional it's not even funny. Either that, or there are some pretty cowardly lions at your zoo.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Edited my post : Margachito's gloves were not nealry loaded (Which Chito Trinidad's were) but loaded .

Why do u think Mosley was the first one ?
Look at Cotto's face after their fight.
And Cotto was shot indeed after that fight , Margachito ended Cotto's prime with his cheat.

How do u want it 2b seen when he raises his hands ?
Both the gloves and the wraps block its sight .
And how do u want the ref 2 detect it when he holds Margachito's arm ?
The loaded wraps are not on his arm they are on his 2 layer (or more) covered fists.

Truer words couldn't be spoken. If you look at the video after the Cotto fight, his wraps look very heavy and even a pinkish substance that Emanuel Steward "didn't recognizance" was shown on pictures after the fight. People say if he is guilty why take the gloves off, that is like a criminal who burglarizes a house, do you expect them to run or walk gingerly? If they run out of the house it makes them look more su****ious, if they steal ***erly they could it put in a bag walk cautiously away from the scene.

Here is the thing what people fail to understand. I myself don't know if Margs used the plaster of paris many times? But if he was using it than the blows he gave the opponents took the wind out of them and snap off their punches, as a result your chin takes less degree of punishment.

We do know that Margs had no plaster against Mosley, and now all of sudden his chin can't absorb the punishment. All of a sudden........he gets KTFO. Just a coincidence?