1. Muhammad Ali
2. Rocky Marciano (can be switched with 3)
3. Joe Louis (can be switched with 2)
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6. Larry Holmes
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Mike Tyson
9. Sonny Liston/James Jeffries (cheating to have 2?)
10. Archie Moore
Louis would probably be number 2 for sure if his chin was proven to be better. I believe Rocky on his best night could defeat anyone in history. Ali could probably beat anyone 2/3 times so I have him at 1 for now but if someone puts him at 2, I wouldn't argue.
i agree with you on this list except i'd have Joe Louis ahead of Ali
yes, i've changed my top ten list again, and this time, i think it's for good. i don't think it will get any better than this in terms of head-tohead matchups:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Sonny Liston
3. George Foreman
4. Mike Tyson
5. Larry Holmes
6. Joe Louis
7. Joe Frazier
8. Jack Dempsey
9. Jack Johnson
10. Lennox Lewis
over joe louis? come on now think about that 1. hell even tyson
louis has a weak chin. liston's quick jabs and straight rights would tear into louis and knock him out in about 4 rounds. tyson is a swarming fighter, and that is suicide against a slugger with a long reach and quick powerful jab like liston(foreman too).
Its good to see that most people have Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis in the top two spots, where doesn't bother me. All depends on how you rate their achievements. Joe was more dominant, Ali fought better opposition... i personally favour Ali's achievement beating Liston, Frazier and Foreman and him displaying ability to achieve in the face of adversity throughout his career over Joes complete dominance and technical brilliance. The gap between the men, if any.. is paper thin at best.
1) Muhammad Ali
2) Joe Louis
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Jack Dempsey
6) Rocky Marciano
7) Joe Frazier
8) Mike Tyson
9) Sonny Liston
10)Lennox Lewis
My list changes from time to time.. but thats how i feel about it now.
Its quite possible that Jack Johnson should be in there over some of the men i have listed, but i need to learn a bit more about him... read more before i can judge, my knowledge pre-dempsey is poor at best.
Its good to see that most people have Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis in the top two spots, where doesn't bother me. All depends on how you rate their achievements. Joe was more dominant, Ali fought better opposition... i personally favour Ali's achievement beating Liston, Frazier and Foreman and him displaying ability to achieve in the face of adversity throughout his career over Joes complete dominance and technical brilliance. The gap between the men, if any.. is paper thin at best.
1) Muhammad Ali
2) Joe Louis
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Jack Dempsey
6) Rocky Marciano
7) Joe Frazier
8) Mike Tyson
9) Sonny Liston
10)Lennox Lewis
My list changes from time to time.. but thats how i feel about it now.
Its quite possible that Jack Johnson should be in there over some of the men i have listed, but i need to learn a bit more about him... read more before i can judge, my knowledge pre-dempsey is poor at best.
no he wasn't. if ali wasn't striiped of the title, he would have much more title defenses than louis.
what do you mean pure speculation? louis had 25. ali had 19. during those three years do you think anybody could have beaten prime ali. nope, they sure couldn't. not frazier, not quarry, not norton, not ellis, and not bonavena. so, im sure in three years ali would fight seven times at least.
That it is...and I find it funny & hypocritical how Butterfly is only giving Ali credit for extra title defenses in the "what if" scheme of things, and not Louis.
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