My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[butterfly1964]

i'm not spewing lies
Holmes had a better jab then ali and i've never heard that disputed

what makes holmes' jab better? cause it was stronger? that doesn't mean it was better. in that case you could say liston's jab was better cause it was stronger, foreman too, also lewis, tyson, shavers, lyle, frazier, lewis, klitchko etc. but ali's was faster, more accurate, and stung more cause of the way he threw it and it cut you up faster. no way is a young 25year old ali's jab matched, better yet even at 28, 29, 30, 31, or 32.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

ok i've supported the fact that ali would lose to marciano in about 9 different threads against you i'm not bringin it all up again the stuff again so i'm done with that. and he only got knocked down once maybe twice and i believe it was against Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore, and both were very hard hitters who he got up and beat, archie moore had over 100 knockouts so how u can say that he's not a respectable person to knocked down by, what middle weights knocked him down?
now who's spewin lies
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[butterfly1964]

ok i've supported the fact that ali would lose to marciano in about 9 different threads against you i'm not bringin it all up again the stuff again so i'm done with that. and he only got knocked down once maybe twice and i believe it was against Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore, and both were very hard hitters who he got up and beat, archie moore had over 100 knockouts so how u can say that he's not a respectable person to knocked down by, what middle weights knocked him down?
now who's spewin lies

give me a break, moore was a natural middleweight and he floored him. and moore didn't hit hard as a hw so it is a disgrace for a hw to be floored by moore a natural middleweight.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

not to get off the topic of u arguing me and everything but a fight give alot of credit to both fighters in was wepner against ali
i mean i understand that wepner knocked ali down cause ali was off balance but man that guy just took a beating

wasn't ali out of shape in that fight though?
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

you've got to be kidding me Moore was a great hitter and its no disgrace
100+ ko's and ur gunna say he was bad
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[butterfly1964]

you've got to be kidding me Moore was a great hitter and its no disgrace
100+ ko's and ur gunna say he was bad

moore was a great middleweight and lightheavy. but he just wasn't a good hw. a young, inexperienced and weak clay beat him to a pulp. a young patterson annihilated him. but moore still gave marciano trouble, so what does that say about marciano?

[butterfly1964]

not to get off the topic of u arguing me and everything but a fight give alot of credit to both fighters in was wepner against ali
i mean i understand that wepner knocked ali down cause ali was off balance but man that guy just took a beating

wasn't ali out of shape in that fight though?

yeah, ali was out of spape a little. he weighed 221 1/2, and in his previous fight, the foreman fight, he was an in-shape 216 1/2.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

a young patterson would have been when moore was older so that would've been a mismatch
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[butterfly1964]

a young patterson would have been when moore was older so that would've been a mismatch

older? let me see, moore was 42 when he fought rocky, and 43 when he fought patterson. that's not much older, and look at the contrast. he gave a good account of himself against rocky, but petterson crushed him in their fight, so age has nothing to do with it.

[Da Iceman]

older? let me see, moore was 42 when he fought rocky, and 43 when he fought patterson. that's not much older, and look at the contrast. he gave a good account of himself against rocky, but petterson crushed him in their fight, so age has nothing to do with it.

styles make fights, moore only won maybe 2 or 3 rounds out of 9 with rocky how is that giving him trouble had he not ko'd him rocky wouldve easily got the decision