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If you can find the time try watching the first Ali vs Bugner fight and the Bugner vs Frazier fight. If you're not more impressed by him than Martin Rogan or Audley Harrison I despair but respectfully leave you to your opinion.
As I said in my previous post I rate prime and post prime Shavers higher. I agree he would likely have always won. But I think that Bugner may well have been one of the top ten best heavyweights in the world in the 70s which has to be better than top ten in Britain now! The man had terrific handspeed, combination work. He dazzled at times.
But I've made no mistakes. No typographical (in respect of results/figures) or historic : try reading your own 'corrections', you just say things like 'bad measurement' in respect of Louis being average sized for his day.....and offer nothing. I made no mistake.
When I show how much heavier Abe Simon was.....you just say 'flab'. The guy was much bigger. I made no mistake.
When I prove you wrong about the weight of Holmes, you come out with a 'lean mass' argument......Larry usually looked a bit soft round the midriff. He was no Ken Norton himself, now that is lean mass! I made no mistake.
I've had a little look back and not one of your counter arguments concern errors/mistakes I might have made. You just come out with counter arguments like 'he doged so and so' or 'his weight was flab' or 'he wasn't that much bigger' or 'he was much younger' or 'he lost to an older so and so' or 'that big guy wasn't skilled'. All this despite rarely having seen these fighters actually fight from what I can gather.
Whereas you have made some corking blunders:
James J Corbett as a dominant champion
Bruno TKO 1 Bugner
Patterson choosing Quarry and Ellis as easy options
I haven't spent much time looking at your top 72, but just at a glance I'd give some serious thought to the position of the following:
Ray Mercer. Watch some of his 90s fights! Its shocking that he is behind Rogan, Williams, Corey Sanders and many more.
I'd stick Ken Norton over Jimmy Young. Not only did post prime Norton beat prime Young, but Norton actually got a decision over a much better Ali.
Witherspoon beat Bruno. I'd twist them around. Plus Witherspoon had a much more decorated career.
Why is Gerry Cooney so much higher than Michael Spinks? Spinks destroyed a slightly post prime Cooney but would have likely decisioned even the best Cooney!
There are a few other inclusions which are making me weep so I better stop typing before my tears short the computer. Eric Butterbean Esch!
As I said in my previous post I rate prime and post prime Shavers higher. I agree he would likely have always won. But I think that Bugner may well have been one of the top ten best heavyweights in the world in the 70s which has to be better than top ten in Britain now! The man had terrific handspeed, combination work. He dazzled at times.
But I've made no mistakes. No typographical (in respect of results/figures) or historic : try reading your own 'corrections', you just say things like 'bad measurement' in respect of Louis being average sized for his day.....and offer nothing. I made no mistake.
When I show how much heavier Abe Simon was.....you just say 'flab'. The guy was much bigger. I made no mistake.
When I prove you wrong about the weight of Holmes, you come out with a 'lean mass' argument......Larry usually looked a bit soft round the midriff. He was no Ken Norton himself, now that is lean mass! I made no mistake.
I've had a little look back and not one of your counter arguments concern errors/mistakes I might have made. You just come out with counter arguments like 'he doged so and so' or 'his weight was flab' or 'he wasn't that much bigger' or 'he was much younger' or 'he lost to an older so and so' or 'that big guy wasn't skilled'. All this despite rarely having seen these fighters actually fight from what I can gather.
Whereas you have made some corking blunders:
James J Corbett as a dominant champion
Bruno TKO 1 Bugner
Patterson choosing Quarry and Ellis as easy options
I haven't spent much time looking at your top 72, but just at a glance I'd give some serious thought to the position of the following:
Ray Mercer. Watch some of his 90s fights! Its shocking that he is behind Rogan, Williams, Corey Sanders and many more.
I'd stick Ken Norton over Jimmy Young. Not only did post prime Norton beat prime Young, but Norton actually got a decision over a much better Ali.
Witherspoon beat Bruno. I'd twist them around. Plus Witherspoon had a much more decorated career.
Why is Gerry Cooney so much higher than Michael Spinks? Spinks destroyed a slightly post prime Cooney but would have likely decisioned even the best Cooney!
There are a few other inclusions which are making me weep so I better stop typing before my tears short the computer. Eric Butterbean Esch!
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